Isn't the 'liberal' female an interesting creature? They are more promiscuous before marriage but have less sex after marriage if they do happen to get married, and are less satisfied sexually anyway. Then they import rapists and won't defend their 'sisters' who get sexually assaulted.
There is some really deviant psychology at work there........
Anarchonomicon -- I subscribe because on many issues you have an interesting viewpoint out of the mainstream which needs to be heard. But on Epstein, you seem to have swallowed that old Left Wing foolishness from the Clinton/Monica days -- it's all about sex! (Of course, for a Far Leftie, sex is nobody else's business).
The critical honor-related issue with Epstein is not sex (most of which took place with well-paid highly-experienced voluntary young women -- their bodies, their choice), it is blackmail -- the clear evidence that a lot of people in prominent positions in Congress, the bureaucracy, the Law, the media have done things they don't want exposed in public. That is where I would expect you to focus, Kulak. What have the blackmailers obtained through Epstein's activities? That is the important element! Tell us what that was!
And while we are at it, surely the theft of the 2020 election was a worse insult to the honor of a nation than a hidden sex scandal? Especially since there is probably a big overlap between the people who engineered those election shenanigans and those who want the Epstein matter kept under wraps.
It doesn’t matter if every girl was totally willing the blackmailing matters but not its specifics.
First the girls, the overwhelming supermajority of real Americans absolutely and totally rejects that an underage woman can ever consent with an overaged man full stop no exceptions therefore in the moral framework of everyone that matters that’s a moot point they were trafficked and raped that’s the verdict in the only court that matters. Further if only 1% of the women were underage that still wouldn’t change the calculus for the American people. Because this was known and every congress critter with more that one term knew about it, thousands of staffers in dozens of agencies knew about it, hundreds of jurists knew and NONE OF THEM LEAKED? That means that top to bottom our government is either corrupted unrecoverably or OK with massive swathes of our government being so corrupted. That’s a death blow.
Second the blackmail is important because knowing your leaders could be so morally decrepit that a foreign power of hostile minority has that kind of dirt on them is catastrophic to national honor. Imagine you’re a soldier and you know that someone has such dirt on your generals that he can order them to do almost anything? Are you going to trust them? Follow them into storms of bullets? Or are you going to start looking for the first chance to ditch your now soiled uniform (it’s as stained as your general) and run? That’s the situation Americans are in. Who has the dirt is an issue for after you have “dealt with” your now irrevocable tainted leaders.
The longer this stays buried the more it eats the foundations of the American government like a pool of acid on an iron beam. If it’s aired out and nearly everyone involved is hung they the US can probably recover. The longer it sits the more likely a crisis will topple the whole thing because quite justifiably the American people basically assume anyone in the national government is a criminal that deserves to be drawn and quartered.
Also the election theft yes that an equally huge blow to national honor. These are happening constantly Afghanistan come to mind as well. Every one of these that doesn’t get responded to (and none of them have for my entire lifetime) is another pool of acid getting poured onto another structural support of this government (or pedophile ring same difference).
Take your pick, communist or extreme capitalist: strip the history and sense of being 'A People' because in both cases you become a worker widget/consumer widget. And with that comes a society in which all interactions become nothing but transactions. So, if a little rape here or there is necessary to complete the 'depeopling' process for the 'greater good' of the Ideology, the Economy - or whatever - it's just a bit of necessary collateral damage.
Let’s be real here: those who consider themselves conservative who justify this are either under the employment of Israeli agents (some of them certainly), or they are afraid of Israeli power. It is not more complicated than that. This includes the Collins family.
You are not wrong about honor. The real reason they defended honor so strongly back then was that it was a slippery slope. If it becomes known you are a bitch, everyone will fuck you like one. Oh… is this crass? The way I put it? Well… life is like that.
If your government allows a foreign power to pimp out you daughters, in other words, allows them to be fucked like bitches, and furthermore, punishes you for defending their honor, then that government is not legitimate, as you point out.
Yes, ultimately, this ends in bodies swinging from lamp posts at best, and nuclear war at worst. This could have been avoided, had our leaders simply saved face by smacking Israel down in some way. By exposing Epstein’s actions and allowing the chips to fall where they may. But our government is too corrupt to allow that to happen.
So…. When they need the people, they will not be there. But our government is not smart enough to know this. The real issue with honor is this: if you live too long without a sense of it, you lose the ability to understand the consequences of it’s absence
Trump warned that the FBI, (CIA possibly ...need to find the quote)was in charge of the files and could have corrupted them by adding information that is not true. I think that is a valid observation and not because the man is blind yo the truth or overly consumed with national honor.
"So what happens to America when, Like Britain and the “Grooming Gangs”, it becomes readily apparent the state is now effectively an occupying enemy force, a traitorous and dishonorable alliance of scum. That the bonds of unity, nationality, citizenship, common service, and shared honor inherited from previous generations common sacrifice and struggle indeed means nothing, and the state is openly and actively renouncing its honor, duties, and bonds to its own citizens and is actively siding with enemy child-rapists representing a hostile enemy nation which has chosen to attack the civilian children of America behind her back in an attack at least comparable to Oct 7th or 9/11."
This was fascinating and really demands further exploration.
As you point out so well, we live in states that where mase possible by honour cultures, now ruled by a managerial class which has no honour, where the word "honour " is actively mocked yet when their aspirations demands it, they count on our "patriotism", and love of a flag they have themselves poured vitriol on before our own eyes.
Obviously such a stage of affairs cannot stand, and thus we will see the edifice crumble. A deeper analysis of the bounds of honour becomes important.
What pieces are no longer held in place by these bindings? What stands on inertia alone, ready to fall at the slightest push?
That’s a great question tbh. If I was going to take a shot the winners would be the state guards and most of the state governments. The coast guard and marines also have an almost untarnished reputation. The big losers in my mind are the national banking system (treasury fed and national banks), the 3 letters the army as a cohesive organization (individual units up to some devision level forces with stay cohesive) and especially the navy which for being the premier branch of Imperial military is an absolute basket case and will go down with the first carrier to sail down to the locker. Whither a national government of any kind can weather the storm is really dependent on who is in control or takes control during the crisis.
The US military still removes officers who engage in adultery. It’s dishonorable, if your wife can’t trust you, how can your men?
Isn't the 'liberal' female an interesting creature? They are more promiscuous before marriage but have less sex after marriage if they do happen to get married, and are less satisfied sexually anyway. Then they import rapists and won't defend their 'sisters' who get sexually assaulted.
There is some really deviant psychology at work there........
Anarchonomicon -- I subscribe because on many issues you have an interesting viewpoint out of the mainstream which needs to be heard. But on Epstein, you seem to have swallowed that old Left Wing foolishness from the Clinton/Monica days -- it's all about sex! (Of course, for a Far Leftie, sex is nobody else's business).
The critical honor-related issue with Epstein is not sex (most of which took place with well-paid highly-experienced voluntary young women -- their bodies, their choice), it is blackmail -- the clear evidence that a lot of people in prominent positions in Congress, the bureaucracy, the Law, the media have done things they don't want exposed in public. That is where I would expect you to focus, Kulak. What have the blackmailers obtained through Epstein's activities? That is the important element! Tell us what that was!
And while we are at it, surely the theft of the 2020 election was a worse insult to the honor of a nation than a hidden sex scandal? Especially since there is probably a big overlap between the people who engineered those election shenanigans and those who want the Epstein matter kept under wraps.
It doesn’t matter if every girl was totally willing the blackmailing matters but not its specifics.
First the girls, the overwhelming supermajority of real Americans absolutely and totally rejects that an underage woman can ever consent with an overaged man full stop no exceptions therefore in the moral framework of everyone that matters that’s a moot point they were trafficked and raped that’s the verdict in the only court that matters. Further if only 1% of the women were underage that still wouldn’t change the calculus for the American people. Because this was known and every congress critter with more that one term knew about it, thousands of staffers in dozens of agencies knew about it, hundreds of jurists knew and NONE OF THEM LEAKED? That means that top to bottom our government is either corrupted unrecoverably or OK with massive swathes of our government being so corrupted. That’s a death blow.
Second the blackmail is important because knowing your leaders could be so morally decrepit that a foreign power of hostile minority has that kind of dirt on them is catastrophic to national honor. Imagine you’re a soldier and you know that someone has such dirt on your generals that he can order them to do almost anything? Are you going to trust them? Follow them into storms of bullets? Or are you going to start looking for the first chance to ditch your now soiled uniform (it’s as stained as your general) and run? That’s the situation Americans are in. Who has the dirt is an issue for after you have “dealt with” your now irrevocable tainted leaders.
The longer this stays buried the more it eats the foundations of the American government like a pool of acid on an iron beam. If it’s aired out and nearly everyone involved is hung they the US can probably recover. The longer it sits the more likely a crisis will topple the whole thing because quite justifiably the American people basically assume anyone in the national government is a criminal that deserves to be drawn and quartered.
Also the election theft yes that an equally huge blow to national honor. These are happening constantly Afghanistan come to mind as well. Every one of these that doesn’t get responded to (and none of them have for my entire lifetime) is another pool of acid getting poured onto another structural support of this government (or pedophile ring same difference).
Take your pick, communist or extreme capitalist: strip the history and sense of being 'A People' because in both cases you become a worker widget/consumer widget. And with that comes a society in which all interactions become nothing but transactions. So, if a little rape here or there is necessary to complete the 'depeopling' process for the 'greater good' of the Ideology, the Economy - or whatever - it's just a bit of necessary collateral damage.
Let’s be real here: those who consider themselves conservative who justify this are either under the employment of Israeli agents (some of them certainly), or they are afraid of Israeli power. It is not more complicated than that. This includes the Collins family.
You are not wrong about honor. The real reason they defended honor so strongly back then was that it was a slippery slope. If it becomes known you are a bitch, everyone will fuck you like one. Oh… is this crass? The way I put it? Well… life is like that.
If your government allows a foreign power to pimp out you daughters, in other words, allows them to be fucked like bitches, and furthermore, punishes you for defending their honor, then that government is not legitimate, as you point out.
Yes, ultimately, this ends in bodies swinging from lamp posts at best, and nuclear war at worst. This could have been avoided, had our leaders simply saved face by smacking Israel down in some way. By exposing Epstein’s actions and allowing the chips to fall where they may. But our government is too corrupt to allow that to happen.
So…. When they need the people, they will not be there. But our government is not smart enough to know this. The real issue with honor is this: if you live too long without a sense of it, you lose the ability to understand the consequences of it’s absence
Trump warned that the FBI, (CIA possibly ...need to find the quote)was in charge of the files and could have corrupted them by adding information that is not true. I think that is a valid observation and not because the man is blind yo the truth or overly consumed with national honor.
"So what happens to America when, Like Britain and the “Grooming Gangs”, it becomes readily apparent the state is now effectively an occupying enemy force, a traitorous and dishonorable alliance of scum. That the bonds of unity, nationality, citizenship, common service, and shared honor inherited from previous generations common sacrifice and struggle indeed means nothing, and the state is openly and actively renouncing its honor, duties, and bonds to its own citizens and is actively siding with enemy child-rapists representing a hostile enemy nation which has chosen to attack the civilian children of America behind her back in an attack at least comparable to Oct 7th or 9/11."
What happens is the wheels come off the cart.
The sooner, the better.
This was fascinating and really demands further exploration.
As you point out so well, we live in states that where mase possible by honour cultures, now ruled by a managerial class which has no honour, where the word "honour " is actively mocked yet when their aspirations demands it, they count on our "patriotism", and love of a flag they have themselves poured vitriol on before our own eyes.
Obviously such a stage of affairs cannot stand, and thus we will see the edifice crumble. A deeper analysis of the bounds of honour becomes important.
What pieces are no longer held in place by these bindings? What stands on inertia alone, ready to fall at the slightest push?
That’s a great question tbh. If I was going to take a shot the winners would be the state guards and most of the state governments. The coast guard and marines also have an almost untarnished reputation. The big losers in my mind are the national banking system (treasury fed and national banks), the 3 letters the army as a cohesive organization (individual units up to some devision level forces with stay cohesive) and especially the navy which for being the premier branch of Imperial military is an absolute basket case and will go down with the first carrier to sail down to the locker. Whither a national government of any kind can weather the storm is really dependent on who is in control or takes control during the crisis.
We need to reclaim our ethnicities not just white but we’re Irish,Croatian,German,French
This works less well in the new world...
What's an Irish, Norwegian, German, Scottish mix? Guy might be white as the driven snow... but doesn't line up with any traditional national identity.