National Honor Matters. Epstein Won't Go Away.
Quick as a flash
with her flaring robes Lampetie sped the news
to the Sun on high that we had killed his herds
and Helios burst out in rage to all the immortals:
’Father Zeus! the rest of you blissful gods who never die—
punish them all, that crew of Laertes’ son Odysseus—
what an outrage! They killed my cattle,
the great joy of my heart… day in, day out,
when I climbed the starry skies and when I wheeled
back down from the heights to touch the earth once more.
Unless they pay me back in blood for the butchery of my herds,
down I go to the House of Death and blaze amongst the dead!’-Odyssey, Book XII: The Cattle of the Sun (Fangles Trans.)
I’ve heard from multiple people now in real life, online, and in various podcasts have made this argument. Notably the Collins’ on the Based Camp Podcast must be praised for making the argument in the most explicit and formal manner… The argument goes something like this:
“Revealing the Epstein client list and intelligence about which foreign nation carried out the Epstein blackmail ring would be disastrous for US foreign policy given its either Israel or Saudi Arabia[they insist Epstein’s ties to Saudi Prince Mohhamed Bin Salaman makes this just as likely. It wasn’t… He worked for Israel], and as such to do so would be dangerous and disastrous around the world. Do you want thousands to die in new conflicts because of this? Its immature [this is the word they use] to think that a disaster like that should occur for your mere curiosity or overgrown sense of Justice.”
Which is maybe the most politically and historically illiterate thing I’ve heard in a long time… For how educated many of these people are, its really clear they do not have any deep conception of history, political science, or reading of major military or other histories…
But specifically their reading is not deep enough to have come across the Early Modern concept of “National Honor”…Nor how apocalyptically devastating it is to be a country which has none.
Which in some respects is not their fault… Such things are not taught the way they once were, and indeed post-war political science and anti-militarism has (disingenuously and foolhardily) fought to suppress such thinking… However for any of Napoleon’s Marshalls, Carl Von Clausewitz, any German General, any British Imperial Officer, or indeed any Japanese Nationalist or 19th Century American Diplomat… National honor and prestige was rightly amongst the most important concepts and possibly the most important things to fight over.
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Sadly there isn’t a good Wikipedia page or modern summary of the concept of National Honor (we can speculate as to why Modern political scientists don’t write about this topic… Hint: US Hegemony is based upon repeated Humiliation rituals performed on its various client and vassals) however I prompted Grok to give a summary and various perspectives… One from Napoleon’s loyal Marshall Ney, one from Prussian Military Theorist Carl Von Clausewitz, and one from an early 20th Century Japanese Nationalist… And Grok did a good enough job to sub out for the non-existent Wikipedia article. for those who’d like to read further and imbibe the concept… But I don’t think you’ll need it, it’s remarkably intuitive
Honor is a concept that has faded in much of the west due to the dominance of the state not just over justice, criminal regulation, and state employment… but over the private sector as well… The rise of Employment law and industrial regulation…
However in the absence of State regulation (or misregulation) personal honor, one’s reputation for conduct in matters business, sexual, and combative is vital to a person’s prestige and survival. In societies driven by honor defending one’s good name against fraud might depend on your willingness to duel over an accusation of fraud, likewise to be willing to escalate to such accusations and face a duel if someone tried to cheat.
Likewise in matters sexual the willingness to tolerate a daughter or spouse openly engaging in sexual impropriety could bring dishonor on a family… Fathers in early modern England would drive fallen daughters from their households lest their infamy reflect on their other daughters destroying their marriage prospects and possibly turning (by association) their house into a house of infamy (a brothel, in reputation), and destroying the career and social prospects of the father and sons (and maybe turning the home into a brothel in reality)…
Absent safety nets, employment regulation, antidescrimination law, effective contract enforcement, or normal policing… You are on your own.
One’s reputation for honesty, for sexual propriety, for bravery and being willing to fight against assailants or challengers, the willingness to defend one’s honor… These are not seperate reputations. This is one reputation.
How you do one thing is how you do all things. If your daughters have reputations as harlots, and you tolerate their lovers to come and shame you under your roof with no violence offered… You’d lose your commission as a British Officer. Your failed morality would preclude you from keeping it. Indeed if you suffered someone to openly state you had tolerated such or that your daughters had been so shamed without dueling him… you’d be thought a coward for not dueling, and that in itself would cause you to be stripped of your commission…
Of course many things happened in secret, but this was enforced, and such things becoming known would destroy a man or family, or quickly result in a long line of duels.
Reputation is holistic. In a society where enforcement is largely on the individual, and trust in personal reputation is the ONLY thing greasing the wheel of commerce or acting as security on dangerous campaigns, or binding families in mutual defense… one cannot accept that their superior or subordinate officer is a father of prostitutes, you cannot follow such a man, you can not delegate such a man to lead your soldiers, you cannot trust such a man to pay the funds given him to pay his men… And you certainly can’t trust other soldiers to follow him once this becomes known…
Likewise the daughter of a coward wears her father’s shame… if the man defending her honor was a coward who’d suffer himself to be known a coward who won’t fight, how can you trust her honor? If he never fought for himself, you have to assume he didn’t fight for her when other men showed up to impose…
Of course extended families maintained the honor of each-other if a man COULDN’T fight… if he were blinded, etc. And people worked very hard to live down poor reputations, or maintained great charades and moved or restarted elsewhere to try and build reputations… Families recovered with effort… and you can see in the style and morals of the Victorians a great effort to create and maintain the appearance of propriety… both as a cover for the occasional past shame, and as a sort of arms race to constantly demonstrate their station, propriety and honor.
But this logic. HONOR. The shared and intertwined importance of one’s word and reliability in business; ones bravery and willingness to defend themselves, their family and their nation; and their sexual propriety and the extended known character of their family and female relatives. This is timeless and stretches back far into the Medieval and pre-medieval past.
(Notice the outfits… how even the ordinary soldiers are dressed better and more impressively than modern generals. In an age when personal and national honor kept one standing in a line and fighting as opposed to breaking and running… even the outwards trappings of glory and honor were of deadly importance. Think of THE EXPENSE, before modern textile manufacturing, that went into this)
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NATIONAL HONOR, is a natural extension of Personal Honor.
Imagine a king… Imagine how disastrous it’d be for a KING to have no honor left. For no one to believe in the King’s word, for no one to believe in the honor or purity of the King’s female family members (or the legitimacy of any offspring they bore), and for no one to believe in the King’s threats…
He’d be dead. One of his generals would kill him, or one of his enemies would overrun the country.
Per Hobbes, nations operate in the state of war, there are no cops, contract enforcement, employment regulations, or antidescrimination laws between Nations.
Every King operates in the same manner as the early-modern gentlemen who must duel and defend their honor and enforce their own contracts, and the only thing that binds his Generals, soldiers, and aristocrats to him… is the perception of his honor. The perceived certainty that he will pay his debts to his soldiers, reward his friends, defend his kin and followers, enforce and protect the reputations of the women and the aristocrats of his court… And that he will exercise violence against those who do him wrong.
Prussian Strategist Carl Von Clausewitz and many other early modern theorists of the nation state, realized that as the state bureaucracy expanded and the state increasingly became an self-ruling institution instead of an immediate extension of the King’s personal relationships and honor it was becoming a thing unto itself, and so theorized that the Nation itself had honor and a reputation and that its existence… What the state is… Is largely just this national honor. That people believe in its symbols and its currency and its promises and show up to enact its rituals, functions and interests, is the state… If they all stopped believing it, it’d cease to exist.
As classically understood the modern nation state is An Aristocracy of its Citizens.
Whereas before taxes and duties of military service were exclusively placed on the aristocrats (who themselves then extracted from the populace)… now this was the common duty of the citizenry… Every male citizen was the equivalent of knight who might be called upon to pay taxes and perform military service, and to enjoy prestige, social mobility, and the centrality of their interests to the state, as a result of this. Military service was CELEBRATED by West Europeans as a vehicle of social mobility, and mass enfranchisement and service as a marker of their expanding social status.
Enlisted men now had their own honor. Unlike the strict divisions between aristocratic officers and cavaliers vs. conscripted decades long serving conscript-soldiers who’s greatest objective was to desert. Every man was an upwardly mobile aristocrat in his own country… and the extraordinary patriotism you see from France to Germany to America to far Flung British colonies like Australia and Canada… is inseparable from this sentiment, this belonging, this shared bond of honor, this reciprocated attachment.
This mutual alliance of defense such as Knight might swear to a king… In the nationalist era being a citizen meant something, and people were willing to give obedience and fight on behalf of what it meant… Because their nation fought for them.
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Heinlien’s Starship Troopers is in fact not really a speculative science fiction, but a retrospective on 19th century nationalism. Similar lessons and philosophies could be found taught by Veterans/History Teachers in every western power… only those 19th century school teachers were talking about the fate of Carthage instead of Hiroshima.
Can you Imagine a 19th century population tolerating thousands of girls raped by a foreign power and the government covering it up to protect that power?
Does “American” Mean Anything at all?
Now the Epstein tale has been a rolling saga… When Epstein was first arrested it could be believed that the coverup was a maneuver by a few rogue elements within the security state, as the scandal rose and Epstein was arrested a second time (and died) it could be believed that elements within the state were merely stopping a full investigation and punishment of those responsible… Sure there were countless conspiracies, but the strategic ambiguity of what was, and was not, broadly known created the ambiguity… Surely if you raised enough noise the truth would out and noble factions within the state would punish the criminals… Indeed alleged secret representatives and then public representatives said they were doing just that… Trust the plan! Two more weeks!
But after the growing list of recent revelations…that Epstein raped and trafficked girls as young as 11, that he trafficked over American 1000 girls, Pam Bondi revealling that the government indeed had a list of Epstein’s clients and accomplices “on her desk” waiting to be released…
And then Trump’s plain decision to back-peddle, cover it up, and claim no such list existed… or rather it existed but was a hoax “By Obama”….
This removed all that face saving ambiguity.
Over 1000 (almost entirely white) American girls raped and sex trafficked by the agents of a foreign government…
That’s an attack comparable to Pearl Harbor, 9/11, or The Oct 7th Attacks.
Over 1000, directly targeted Civilian. Female. Children. In peacetime.
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By contrast Japan’s surprise attack at Pearl Harbor seems downright gentlemanly… They were just sneaky not announcing their declaration of war until after the attack. Their target was a legitimate military target, and they were remarkably moral in their targeting, with only 68 civilians killed compared to over 2300 Military deaths…
Would that all campaigns were so focused and respecting of civilian life.
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The Oct 7th attack saw 379 security forces and 815 civilians killed on the Israeli side in an ongoing conflict that has seen multiple “Gaza Wars” in the 21st century already… It’s not really a “surprise attack” when you have walls, and blockades, and shoot to kill orders. A much worse Military to civilian ratio (though not nearly as bad as Israel and the US regularly accept)… mind you a ratio that’s in some question given the employment of the Hannibal Directive by Israeli Forces on Oct 7th.
Again not really comparable.
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Only the 9/11 Attack is comparable, killing 2996 almost exclusively civilians… However, by targeting a prominent Office Tower it did ensure that those killed were almost entirely adults . And in the somewhat twisted logic of Jihad, as the “World Trade Center” it could be argued that those killed were disproportionately participating in the plundering of the Middle East by American finance… They were civilians, but in the same manner the factory workers in bombed German industry were civilians… Actively participating in the industrial side of a military state, or in close proximity to those doing so. The strike might be analogized to the Battle of Rhur… or it could have been, if not for Osama Bin Laden’s continued denial of all involvement until he mysteriously reversed himself in 2004. But by and large bad form all around as combatants go… both in starting with civilian targets, and in waiting years to accept responsibility or make any statement.
However he owned up to it in the end if we accept the official story.
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But the Epstein operation? Over 1000 victims, exclusively and entirely innocent women and children, across decades, unannounced… Via purely sexual violence. With not even a chance of harming a legitimate military target, or tertiary target.
Say what you will about Bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers… They selected Jet-Planes and the Twin Towers because they were the best weapon they could grab and the most prominent targets.
The Epstein conspirators selected their victims for their innocence, each one individually.
And President Donald Trump wants it to go away.
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I wonder how many of the Epstein victims were the daughters, granddaughters, and great granddaughters of US Veterans who served and risked their lives if not paying the ultimate price?
6.1% of the US population is comprised of veterans. It had to have been at-least HUNDREDS of these girls had a father, mother, grandfather or grandmother who served…
Some of the victims themselves almost certainly went on to serve in the US military (currently 27% female).
And this is how America repays them?
America is now KNOWN to be a country who’s government has openly and consciously betrayed its people to the advancement of some as yet unidentified foreign power. (Israel)
Even as its soldiers fought on foreign shores it KNOWINGLY let foreign enemies rape their soldiers daughters (Indeed every revelation has confirmed this was an open secret amongst the elite).
It is a country that will betray its citizens and pimp out their pre-pubescent daughters (eleven year olds) for the interests of a foreign power its own citizen could only see as an enemy… Even as those citizens fight on its behalf.
It will frustrate, coverup, insult, and threaten (through countless legal means now) its own citizens to stop them from defending their children…
And President Donald Trump will call you weak and a fool for objecting to this insult to the flag of your fathers and the most sacred bonds of national honor.
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Defending your women and daughter from foreign rapists, the invading horde of enemy ethnicities, is THE core function of the state. You can read the histories of the western canon back to Troy… And read in Homer how the abduction of Helen (ONE WOMAN) was an insult capable of solidifying a coalition to launch a thousand ships, whereas before Agamemnon could only dream of such a thing… And how the threat of the Achaean hordes outside their walls solidified Trojan will and hardened the Trojan state to resist for 10 years of siege, under threat of what the Greeks would (and did) do to them.
The bonds of honor are so obvious, immediately felt and intuitively understood by hormonally normal western men.
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So what happens to America when, Like Britain and the “Grooming Gangs”, it becomes readily apparent the state is now effectively an occupying enemy force, a traitorous and dishonorable alliance of scum. That the bonds of unity, nationality, citizenship, common service, and shared honor inherited from previous generations common sacrifice and struggle indeed means nothing, and the state is openly and actively renouncing its honor, duties, and bonds to its own citizens and is actively siding with enemy child-rapists representing a hostile enemy nation which has chosen to attack the civilian children of America behind her back in an attack at least comparable to Oct 7th or 9/11?
What happens when Donald Trump in his semi-senile belligerence makes it plain and open that he is actively choosing to betray the American people for a foreign power? And that even the alleged populist-Right Wing dangerous “fascist” candidate is a controlled-op by pedophiles will gladly betray the populace as well…
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Well look at what national honor existed to do… It legitimated rulers, bound followers, made clear the word of contracts explicit and implicit would be honored, created will within the populace to fight for the country, and created the high trust that resulted in paid taxes, obeyed laws, and all kinds of other prosocial activity…
Men didn’t volunteer to stand and receive fire from an enemy force for nothing in the 19th and early 20th century… They did it because they were part of bonds of civic honor which they rightly expected would translate into personal prestige, protection, rewards, and social status…
Making it clear that you’ll let strangers rape their daughters then cover for the strangers destroys that.
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Expect white recruitment (the only recruitment that matters) for the military to collapse further, white soldiers to refuse contract renewals, but also expect national trust, tax receipts, obedience to laws and regulations, and all sorts to begin collapsing as people embrace something akin to a prison culture and actively wish for a military officer, militia, or criminal element to overthrow the state.
Real Mandate of Heaven lost type things.
Americans should simply start referring to their governing class as “the pedophiles”, and scorn any loyalty they might have to any governing institutions. White Americans should to start thinking of themselves as white first and American last…. Indeed expect them to start correcting other’s when they travel “Oh you’re American?” “No I’m white”.
This is really dramatic when you recall there are 4-5 fronts of various wars where the American empire is crumbling, and social trust and the white population that was willing to feel civic duty or honor-bound to defend their governments is already highly disillusioned and skeptical of these wars from Ukraine to Syria to Gaza to Yemen to Iran… Don’t really care about Taiwan, and are actively furious about the handling of the border and the deadly eternal race war in US cities… and when Britain pops off in about 2-3 minutes, white Americans will actively support the white British population against the state.
And that disgust is boiling over… As it should.
Americans should be flying their flags upside down, turning their backs on the national anthem, and raising a middle finger to the pledge of allegiance…
If the honor of the nation does not protect them and is not bound to them… Then they should feel nothing but contempt for the rituals and symbols of that national government.
They should behave just like every other ethnicity in America and take what they can and actively laugh at, scorn the idea they owe anything to “Americans” of a different hyphen… if they do not actively wish ill upon them… You know the default for how people think of other ethnicities in 99.9% of times and places.
Many of these sound like “malaise” type things… not having enough high quality volunteers for the military, lack of civic feeling… etc.
But there’s a profound difference between grumbling over a deal that’s poorer than one might like… and loss of honor type breaks.
In the classical military analogy it’s the difference between 19th century soldiers merely grumbling on the one hand, and deserting on the other…
Likewise when it comes to modern states… When a nominally free state’s honor is lost in the eyes of its core ethnicity, it’s really just holding on praying no crisis puts the rotten edifice too the test…
And between the coming Russian victory in Ukraine (and market fallout) the expanding war between Israel and Iran, and the pending summer of riots in the Uk and EU… We’re looking at potentially 3-4 such crises in the next year.
That Grok summary again:
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The US military still removes officers who engage in adultery. It’s dishonorable, if your wife can’t trust you, how can your men?
Isn't the 'liberal' female an interesting creature? They are more promiscuous before marriage but have less sex after marriage if they do happen to get married, and are less satisfied sexually anyway. Then they import rapists and won't defend their 'sisters' who get sexually assaulted.
There is some really deviant psychology at work there........