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Persimmons's avatar

"Everything about the American system is designed to prevent a Ceasar from rescuing the system from it's own corruption via the assumption of dictatorial power"

It's funny, the American founding fathers were Romeaboos but took the exact wrong lessons from Rome; they read historians like Livy and Tacitus who romanticized the Republic and bemoaned the loss of the parasitic senator class' power, conveniently ignoring the fact that Rome was most stable, successful and powerful under the control of monarchs. Hell, it was kinder to its neighbors, too: the image of Rome as this militaristic, bloodthirsty empire is pretty much only applicable to the Republic, while the Empire had extremely stable borders.

When Augustus said "I have restored the Republic", many erroneously believe this was a cynical ploy to keep the illusion of "Republican" government, but this is anachronistically projecting the modern definition of Republic backwards; the /res publica/ he claimed to restore could be thought of as the "will of the people" (or perhaps "commonwealth"), which his regime absolutely upheld compared to the senate.

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Peebo Preboskenes's avatar

the "founders", for the most part, knew exactly what they wanted: an oligarchy. A king or powerful leader is the only real threat to oligarchy. In the US, for a few moments, we had a president or two that wrangled power away from the oligarchs. Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt and FDR, who wrestled control from the oligarchs and neutered the financial oligarchy, for a time. Then they limited the presidency to two terms and killed JFK to remind future presidents who really runs things. The problem with libertarianism as well is is another word for oligarchy. In fact, all systems tend towards this, even dictatorships often end with a weak dictator who is overwhelmed by the oligarchs. This may happen in Russia after Putin is no longer in control.

Collapse is coming, then we will see if we can wrestle control away from the oligarchs and the govt apparatchiks who steal our money and freedom. And perhaps we'll win for a time.

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CernelJoson's avatar

FDR may have wrested control from the old oligarchs, but he certainly established even more powerful new ones!

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Peebo Preboskenes's avatar

FDR is not responsible for the dissolution and corruption of later generations. For over 60 years the work of the Pecora Commission and its resulting banking reforms protected our economy from financial predators. The blame for that lies squarely with the Boomer Dem/Repub establishment.

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Sim1776's avatar

Lol he laid the framework for the Welfare State and entrenched bureaucracy. His administration was rife with Communist sympathizers. He dragged us into WW2 by baiting the Japanese and the Lend/Lease program. In no way was FDR an autocrat but a socialist (oligarch) enacting his agenda as his backers intended.

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Peebo Preboskenes's avatar

You mean he provided the elderly with social security so they wouldn't starve and die in the streets. And as for communist sympathizers - there's a difference between providing a safety net for a capitalist system that requires a pool of surplus labor and communism. During Eisenhower's 8 years the govt spent years hunting subversive commies and found basically none.

And as for WWII, yes, it would've been far better to let the brutal, thuggish leaders of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan take over vast swathes of the world. Then we could've had mass euthanasia programs, mass genocides of Africans, Slavs, Jews, Catholics, Chinese, Southeast Asians and a totalitarian world government ruled by jackals. If Germany and Japan had won the US would've been taken over by brutal oligarchs far worse than the current pack. I know it's fashionable to blame FDR for the growth of govt bureaucracy and some of it is true. But the overwhelming bureaucratic authoritarian state we live in today was largely built long after FDR's death. Even Reagan who promised to shrink government managed to make it much larger.

FDR's reforms led to the most prosperous era in world history. The middle class formed, education became standard, health and hygiene replaced mass outbreaks of typhus and other diseases - the New Deal built the infrastructure that made all our lives possible.

People really have no idea how poor, sick and illiterate the masses were before FDR when robber barons pillaged and plundered and children grew up without education, plumbing or electricity. How quickly we forget. I guess it's because things have gotten bad people look back for someone to blame. The oligarchy we live under now was beaten back for most of the 20th century thanks to Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt. Now we have to do it again because it's an eternal battle against the worst of human nature. There's no system anyone could devise that won't eventually be corrupted. So it would be wiser to observe what was done in the past to stop evil overlords from dominating our world and take inspiration from it rather than whining how they weren't perfect and didn't hand us a turnkey paradise.

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Sim1776's avatar

Now that's some Boomer-tier CivNat emotional argument there. When were the elderly starving other than the normal stratification of society? Family and extended family took care of their elders. Justify cattle tagging Americans some more please! Move the goalposts much to conflate TR's trust busting with FDR's shit show? Nice moralization of a war of aggression on FDR's part by using "facts" only know afterwards and many of those were "discovered" by the victors who write the histories. I bet you believe the 6 million lies despite no evidence. Did you feel good as you ate your Freedom Fries and watch Iraqis slaughtered on the TV cause Saddam was a bad man? Come back when you got some facts.

Btw the HUAC was actually quite effective at exposing the Commies, too effective actually and McCarthy was shut down. The vast majority of the blackballed were sympathizers.

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Brettbaker's avatar

The problem with Jackson was he supplanted one somewhat corrupt, but competent, banker with a bunch of less competent and even more corrupt bankers.

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Peebo Preboskenes's avatar

He stopped the establishment of the first central bank - a project of the Hamiltonian oligarchs ever since the founding of the nation. It wasn't until 1913 that they finally succeeded and took the power to print the US$ into private hands. When you talk about competent bankers you always have to ask competent towards what end? You could say Bernanke and Geithner were competent - at funneling taxpayer money to criminal banksters. They were competent at cementing in place the current financial oligarchy. They were competent at normalizing the flow of tens of trillions into the financial system over the past 16 years ensuring the constant growth of a few large banks at the expense of the entire economy - generating astronomical asset inflation and completely distorting markets to such an extent that there will be an inevitable collapse far worse than anything we have ever experienced before. What appeared competent in the moment (Paulson, Bernanke, etc saved the economy!) was really just rewarding criminals and kicking the can down the road...

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Jeannie's avatar

I've often thought that since it's the federal government which has outgrown the Constitution, maybe it would be better to dissolve the union and go back to being sovereign states. Maybe not 50, but definitively not one big country.

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Vasili Blokhin's avatar

Patrice O'Neal had a great bit about the United Areas of America. It was basically detailing how we break into city-states.

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Blue Vir's avatar

I hadn't considered the semantics of "states", that makes a lot of sense. Contrast this with England where there are no states or sub-governments, even though England has 50 million people constituting 90% of the population.

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Vasili Blokhin's avatar

One quibble: Augustus tried to regulate Roman sexuality in the first century. We're talking death sentence for adulterers. Now it was wildly unpopular and unenforceable, but he tried. Goes to show it isn't a new or monotheistic phenomenon.

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Persimmons's avatar

Even dictators inevitably have to deal with and placate interest groups with their own little grifts; it takes a truly brilliant dictator to cut through all that crap.

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Kulak's avatar

They do... but they generally only placate the important ones. The good ones, and epecially Monarchs are constantly on the prowl for interest groups that have no bite but have manage to dig in via the sheer lack of attention.

Same way that animals which can groom themselves still get parasites, but they generally don't get funguses growing right on the surface like trees do.

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Persimmons's avatar

"The good ones" being the operative term here: liberal democracies flatten out both the greatness and terrible qualities of their leaders, keeping either from reaching its extremes. With autocrats, on the other hand, there's nothing better than a great monarch, and nothing worse than a terrible monarch; the only saving grace is that they'll die someday.

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Mike604's avatar

So absolutely no question why Nikki Haley won DC.

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Warmek's avatar

Nikki Haley winning DC is essentially the perfect vignette of this election cycle.

If Trump can't make gold out of straw with that one he's not the demagogue I think he is. It's so perfect, and so easy.

"Yes, yes, it's true. I did finally lose a primary. What can I say? Washington DC *really* loves Nikki Haley. I think that pretty much says it all right there."

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Sridhar Prasad's avatar

Wow! America is the worst! Who knew? Worse than North Korea or Syria, both of whom have hereditary leaders? Or if you prefer junta, maybe Egypt would be to your liking? I am sure all those countries find innovative ways to humiliate and erase their sexual minorities, so

I’m sure you’ll find them fabulous places to live. Please, don’t let us stop you from finding the exit from America and immigrating to those delightful nations, or any other nation for that matter.

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Black Brigade's avatar

At least you know you're a slave and subject in those evil countries.

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Sridhar Prasad's avatar

We are hardly slaves. There is an ample literature on what slavery was actually like in America. This isn’t it.

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Black Brigade's avatar

The chains are real, even if you can't see them. Do you think our modern slavemasters would be so stupid to shackle us with steel? Think.

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Sridhar Prasad's avatar

What chains do we have? Debts? We mostly entered into those obligations freely? TikTok? Quitting digital distractions is hardly the same as chattel slavery. Drugs? Depends. I love my Lipitor. I take a dim view of recreational drugs and alcohol, and addiction obviously destroys free will. But people can and do get sober, and I expect maintaining sobriety to become easier as we better understand the GLP-1 drugs.

How are we enslaved?

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Black Brigade's avatar

Now you're thinking. Mostly, it's the fake money. We work for something completely fake, which in turn needs to be "put to work" to maintain its fake value. In the best circumstance, the money loses 20% of its value over ten years. That is their goal. Our slavemasters can just print it, move it around, making loans, writing off losses, chasing yield, getting their cut each time. They want to make sure we keep doing real things in exchange for that fake money. A perfect slave system. I participate in it only as much as neccessary.

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Warmek's avatar

Just because it could be worse doesn't mean it couldn't be better.

> Please, don’t let us stop you from finding the exit from America and immigrating to those delightful nations, or any other nation for that matter.

I think he's planning on just waiting for America to fall apart and then finding one of those Free Cities or Duchies or Republics. It's a lot closer than trying to move somewhere else.

Although I'll admit that Argentina looks exciting these days. I kinda wish I'd been learning Spanish all this time...

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Sridhar Prasad's avatar

Of course things can always be better. But this is not the worst government in the world. Not by the longest of shots

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SoloD's avatar

The Electronic Congress

The line we must draw and defend: We are Human Beings made by God and in the image of God.

It is not about writing letters to elected officials or voting some good person into office who will do the right thing.

True Citizenship is about the Ratification or Annulment of each line of every law, rule and regulation on the books or that is on the docket waiting to be turned into law, policy and taxes.

Why is America Dying?

During the 1992 Presidential campaign, in reference to the question: Ross Perot stated that: "a general lack of accountability among elected officials and those in the bureaucracy is the one specific reason that the people in America suffered…. and our only means of correction is to inspect their work and hold them accountable."

Now, it is a known fact

that the voting members of the US Congress and the State Legislatures do not have enough time to read or debate the particulars contained in any of the typically 100 new laws they vote on each day, every five minutes, while in session.

Approximate absolute facts:

a. Every day that the Congress and Legislatures are in session 100 new bills are introduced and distributed.

b. The representatives are given two weeks to review the laws before they are brought up for the Vote.

c. Two weeks into the session they begin voting on the Laws that were previously introduced, while newer laws are introduced.

d. Many laws are in excess of two thousand pages.

e. The math demonstrates that the "democratically elected representative" does not have the time to even read the name of the Law much less the content of it.

f. And since the duly elected Representative is incapable of evaluating 200 thousand pages of law speak per day they have all forfeited their delegated obligation to represent us.

So, the only way to prevent these over worked and fallible people from making some more tragic mistakes from which we, and the rest of the world, might never recover is to include ourselves, The Citizens, from whom the authority for government comes in the first place, in the decision making process.

The Electronic Congress

How it works:

1. Before a new law, tax, or expenditure can be put on the books it must first be Ratified by the Citizens.

2. Existing laws can be Annulled by the same super majority required to Ratify them.

Ross Perot went on to note that this can easily be done with computers and he called the program: THE ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL, and said, "it is only logical that it will become our Fourth Branch of Government".

This program can be applied to every level of government and will ultimately solve every problem we have.

To prevent chaos, the basic law, our Constitution and Bill of Rights, would be exempt from review.

Mr. Perot speculated that the Founding Fathers would probably have done the same had the technology been available in their day.

Just imagine:

g. We, the People, could actually direct the priorities of the major agencies like the: CDC and NIH as well as the libraries and local police departments.

If our government truly is of the people, by the people and for the people then this is the only way forward.

How to implement it:

We talk about it until it is done.

Why shouldn’t your vote really count?

We can acquire the text of a recent law or Supreme Court ruling and have AI parse its actionable elements, apply a questionnaire so that the concerned Citizens can Ratify or Annul it. Then distribute the links.

Can I make money with this?

Websites with traffic can put up the laws they find most egregious for Ratification or Annulment, probably charge a $1 or so per voter for doing it, and watch the evolution in real time.

Ask the local school board for their agenda items, have AI parse the actionable elements, create a questionnaire, distribute it to the concerned citizens and then evaluate the results.

When Human Beings made in the image of God can see the result of their noblest and most sober thoughts, at such a scale, then there will be the moment where Our Benevolence and Good Will shall

overcome Evil and then we all live happily ever after.

Ross Perot publicly promised that if the People of America would elect him to The Presidency he would give us The Electronic Townhall.

The Fourth Branch of Government will allow us to go from Chaos to Prosperity and a Life Worth Living until the end of time.

We were created by God and in the image of God; we are human beings, not animals in a pen.

The Electronic Townhall

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Fabius Minarchus's avatar

Black pill. Not taking.

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Crixcyon's avatar

We tried and have failed as another government with the most free pretenses as of yet in history, is going down in flames. It was a great idea and it has gone on for a little while but began to crumble in slow motion after the Civil War.

As long as you are under the yoke of any government, even ours, you are not truly free. There will always be someone power hungry, extremely arrogant and a complete control freak who seeks to destroy humanity.

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Black Brigade's avatar

Thank you for correctly identifying and advocating for the only solution. People need to escape blue states NOW.

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Paolo Giusti's avatar

Greer's theory of an Amercian Chavez is more serious. And it is also written in proper English.

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Warmek's avatar

> Same with farm policy, it will always be set by the narrow concentrated interest of corporate food producers and recipients of subsidized government food stuff:

Optimist.

https://thepostmillennial.com/letitia-james-sues-beef-producer-for-misleading-public-about-environmental-impact-of-agriculture

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Black Brigade's avatar

Yes, it is a human cycle, and no, there's not much we can do about it. Machiavelli had some practical advice on how to manage the inevitable corruption, including executing someone for corruption at least every ten years.

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CernelJoson's avatar

Well his page isn't called Anarchonomicon for nothing!

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