P.S. Had someone ask on another forum to the effect of: Well Obviously America could do this with enough ruthless commitment, China would just ruthlessly crush these people, likewise look at El Salvador where they just arrested all the gang members. This is clearly a problem with the US just being unwilling to go all out.
Which: No. You misunderstand the scale of the problem.
The US probably could cripple 50% of the domestic US drug trade by 5x-ing the US prison population, which in and of itself might start a hot ethnic conflict on a par with the 1970s (not all Americans use drugs equally, and of those that do they're certainly not equal in their likelihood to get caught)...
The challenge is Hostily imposing this on another country of 126 million, where something like 30-50% of the local government is just pretending to be an ally whilst taking bribes and actively integrating with the cartels.
China has a problem like this, it's called corruption, and Chinese Corruption is absolutely impossible to root out not least because there isn't really a non-corrupt faction and every arrest for corruption is really just backdoor purging by the various factions.
So lets say America goes balls to the wall in Mexico, Full invasion of Iraq. HALF A MILLION US military personnel and then 200-400 thousand continuously once established, This is basically all the US can spare, with 1.4 million active-duty military personnel total, this is everyone but the people actually maintaining the bases and operating the Ships back in the US and around the empire...
The thing is that wasn't enough in Iraq. There was the entire war during the occupation which was only reduced down to a dull roar with the surge.
And this was Iraq with a population one third the Size of Mexico, a Shia Majority, and Kurdish minority that were being empowered by the US intervention against their hated Sunni minority rival who was the one actually fighting the US... And even then it didn't work, and Sunni ISIS arose within a decade, and the country is still divided between militias and local warlords.
You do that in a country with 3x the population, 2x the GDP, several massive cities, and insurgent networks that are basically already adapted to resist US surveillance (these guys have been paranoid about cellphones since the 80s, many cartel bosses simply do not allow cellphones within 200 meters of them, since they assume the NSA is already going full tilt spying on them, and that will be all of them instantly if the ones that don't start getting picked off)...
And also 10 cities with populations over a million where drone strikes basically can't be done, one of which is a ten-million-person mega-city that will just devour an army that tries to occupy it...
Oh ya and it's a permanently profitable trade. So you have to maintain this, for decades... because there's no way you're getting rid of all the corrupt Mexican officials, many of whom are popular and elected, and many of whom are the military... and it will instantly replace itself the second you leave.
RAND had a paper to the effect that The golden ratio for hostile occupations of conquered people is 1 soldier per 50 civilians... that's what was used in Germany after WW2 and Kosovo, America's 2 successful occupations.
America would need 2-3 million to do that in Mexico, or twice the number of people in the entire military... so you'd need a draft, which would be resisted, the resistance of which would be funded by the cartels... which would require further military force and straining of America's already stretched thin police to put down...
You see how this quickly becomes the American state itself being stretched thin, across AMERICA, even if the government magically bites the bullet and goes full force from the start, instead of making the easy call like they did in Vietnam and Iraq and massively under-committing thus letting their enemy organize and create networks, and adapt to the hardest hitting tactics, whilst the politicians are still calling their forces in country "Advisors" and telling the American people they're not at "war", whilst various military planners are actually kind-of secretly hoping something will happen and dozens of Americans will be killed so they can have popular support to actually do something that might be kind of effective...
It'll inevitably be something America sleepwalks backward into with some minor commitment, turning into casualties, turning into bigger commitments, turning into more casualties, turning into outrage, turning into a war, turning into a Quagmire... turning into Vietnam...
Except America would never be able to pull out of this Vietnam because it's RIGHT THERE, and the conflict would immediately be inside America's border.
El Salvador succeeded in its campaign because it's a country that was both unnecessary to the drug trade (so once the margins got high enough the trade could go elsewhere), it had the security force fully committed, it had local political will... and it did vastly less than you're thinking because they took out only 3 specific gangs not the trade itself (strongly suspect the El Salvadorian regime is backdoor participating in the international trade for personal profit just like Noriega, and their policy is just making a deal with the population to not let it affect El Salvador directly... so there was a massive profit motive in El Salvadorian security forces crushing MS-13, they were probably their rivals)
> and it did vastly less than you're thinking because they took out only 3 specific gangs not the trade itself (strongly suspect the El Salvadorian regime is backdoor participating in the international trade for personal profit just like Noriega, and their policy is just making a deal with the population to not let it affect El Salvador directly... so there was a massive profit motive in El Salvadorian security forces crushing MS-13, they were probably their rivals)
Doing this to Mexico would itself be a massive improvement.
USA could achieve the golden ratio of occupation forces by increasing the numenator... Or decreasing the denumenator. You don't even need nuclear weapons. Destroy the electric grid, water supply, sewage system, fuel lines, and an impossible problem to occupy and patrol a 10 million+ city solves itself as that city becomes a giant death trap with population rapidly dwindling to zero in outbreaks of cholera and typhus. It would certainly make a leap from a mere 'humanitarian' invasion of Mexico to root out cartels to a total war of destroying Mexico's critical infrastructure with cruise missiles, but technically it's feasible. 'Selling' it to an American public is another matter, but as they say, politics is art of possible, so some sufficiently gruesome act of terrorism on American soil should do the trick.
Is it a probable scenario? I guess it depends on one's estimate of competency and ruthlessness of the American regime. Which is in my estimate still pretty competent and way more ruthless than it portrays itself.
> This is clearly a problem with the US just being unwilling to go all out.
This is still true. If they were willing to go all out they'd deport hispanics from the US and brutally purge domestic gangs with connections to the cartels, then institute a very very very hard border.
That kind of resolve hasn't existed in the US since lincoln though. (not that I admire him, but he was brutally effective).
> The US probably could cripple 50% of the domestic US drug trade by 5x-ing the US prison population, which in and of itself might start a hot ethnic conflict on a par with the 1970s (not all Americans use drugs equally, and of those that do they're certainly not equal in their likelihood to get caught)...
Um, the violence in the 1970s wasn't caused by an increase in policing, quite the opposite.
No doubt. However, they have been denied the ability to defend themselves and the government has failed to provide security. What will be the catalyst to change that?
You paint a terrifying scenario, similar to what I've heard/read from people who definitely know what they're talking about, so this is all the more terrifying because of how plausible it is. Maybe this will be the Black Swan event that initiates hyperinflation of the dollar, and because the GAE's leaders run the country like a hedge fund, where nearly everything the government owns has been mortgaged or sold off and everything the government needs it basically rents, the GAE will quickly find itself unable to pay for anything, including the war effort. I'm sure those cunning Chinese Communist Party bosses are already working on manipulating Mexican and American leaders into this conflict (10% for the big guy!), and they'll be happy to supply the cartels and the Mexican government with everything they need to cause as much damage to the GAE as they can. Definitely this is a sobering addendum to John Carter's post about why America cannot win WWIII (https://barsoom.substack.com/p/why-america-cant-win-world-war-iii).
> Are American police just so upstanding and incorruptible that they don’t let any crime slide?
Compared to their Mexican counterparts, they are incredibly upstanding. One basic example, when was the last time you were pulled over and asked to give the officer a bribe to avoid a speeding ticket?
What's the likelihood that we'd get pulled into a hot war anyway, given that the cartels will only continue to expand their operations into the US and all it would take is one unhinged cartel to "ruin it for everyone"? Several outbursts of violence would precipitate a response by the US and it would only escalate from there. As frightening as you make it sound, I don't expect it to stay in Mexico forever, especially as the country continues to look more and more like Mexico.
Also, in my opinion, no serious political discussion of taking on the cartels can happen without the militarization of the border and a hardcore deportation process in place, neither of which has a chance of existing, I realize, but it's something that is an absolute prerequisite.
It may be a matter of pick your poison. The cartels have grown into a monster. They should have been dealt with decades ago. Dealing with them now would mean a war that would, as Kulak describes, destroy the US. Not dealing with them will mean slow death by spreading rot.
Honestly the best solution really is to just legalize coke, back a few cartels to go legit, and have them eat the rest, just as Kulak suggests.
Oh sure. I'm not disagreeing that the left is doing this. But first, the main thing really is opioids, which are massively more destructive. And second, "harm reduction" is essentially state sponsored enabling. Huge difference between that and treating coke like hard liquor.
Good read, but the angle from which you approach it is WRONG.
The US does not "want to" control drug trafficking, they ALREADY control it, the Cartels are their EMPLOYEES. (They have used Cartel territory to train mercenaries, they have used Cartel money to overthrow governments, etc.)
What the US REALLY wants to control are Mexico's RESOURCES (Oil, Lithium, etc.). The Cartels are just the PRETEXT, just as Al-Qaeda was to invade Afghanistan.
Why is this happening now?
Because the CURRENT government of Mexico is nationalist and has not allowed advantageous conditions for the US.
So the US needs to change the government of Mexico.
And they are attacking on several fronts, the first is the classic one; propaganda, financing of dark political actors, etc. And since it is failing, they are preparing this "War against the Cartels of Mass Destruction" as plan B.
Plan C would be a full-fledged coup d'état, Ukraine-style.
Plan D would be a full-scale invasion, Iraq-style, and as radical as it may sound, it is not outside the range of possibilities. Mexico is more important to the United States than Ukraine, the Baltic, or the Strait of Malacca.
Very good article. The only real disagreements I have is that I doubt the far right will be doing any rebelling against the government, especially when an army of foreigners is attacking and killing Americans and I do think tactics like the one you opened the article with would only make America chimp out and turn it into a true war of destruction.
The issues with naroterrorism and a narco state are not that far from the surface a bit closer to home, around Antwerp and Rotterdam. I think your suggestion of legalization is the only solution, I'd go further and extend it to everything.
At the risk of sounding callous, this might be the best thing that happens to Europe. Everything you said will probably be true, but still not as catastrophic as the USA picking a fight with Russia and China at the same time.
With American attention elsewhere, Europe might finally have enough freedom and risk (no longer under the American umbrella) to have to re-enter world history whether they like it or not. Especially if we don’t have to worry about a looming Russia ready to destroy everything.
The problem is this issue is totally inevitable. American hubris created this cartels and now Gods judgement shall fall on this nation. Mexico will be Nebuchadnezzar and the US a rebellious Israel. The silver lining is that post this event a honourable country might rise out of the ashes of this conflict.
> With American attention elsewhere, Europe might finally have enough freedom and risk (no longer under the American umbrella) to have to re-enter world history whether they like it or not. Especially if we don’t have to worry about a looming Russia ready to destroy everything.
If America leaves Europe, Europe will definitely have to worry about a looming Russia.
Not quite what I’m saying. In this instance, the Eye of Sauron as it were would be completely fixed south of the border apart from the odd peek at Russia. This gives A LOT more move for manoeuvre for RW groups to mess around, as the USA is now much less likely to open a second front.
The Mexican cartels and the entire drug route going north are to satisfy America's desire for narcotics. You guys (I'm assuming you're American; apologies if you're not), far and away, consume more drugs than anyone else. If the American people had their shit together regarding drugs, then there would be far less demand for the cartels to supply. Maybe if you guys weren't so gay in alcohol and tobacco, this wouldn't be a problem, but anyway, in digressing.
However, the people are not entirely to blame. As many others have said, the Americans have been deliberately poisoned in almost every way. Your bodies and minds have been completely wrecked, your livelihoods destroyed, and you are left with nothing but despair. And that's not even considering the CIA's campaigns actively promoting the Drug trade. But this doesn't change the fact that you have created this monster and have been unwilling to do anything about it due to your failing civic values. You could shoot every drug dealer and severely punish anyone who partakes in drugs, whether legally or socially, but you don't, because that's unconstitutional. What value is the Constitution if it allowed all this to happen and hampers every attempt to fix it? You have allowed a monster to grow at your feet, and now it will eat you whole.
Also, in a Cosmic Justice kind of way, it's fitting. Americans have never had to worry about the consequences of their military excursions as they fucked around in other countries, be it Europe, Africa, or the Middle East. Now, the results of your actions are coming to roost. Just like Nebuchadnezzar was God's agent in punishing Israel, so will the cartels be God's agent in punishing America for its iniquities.
P.S. I don't hate the USA. In general, you guys are great, and I love lots of stuff about Americans and the USA. But the point still stands that you are the anti-Christ of our times.
Even if there is no CIA involvement in the drug trade, which I find unlikely, it doesn't undermine my premise. America has brought this upon herself. Have you got anything to say about that?
Yeah, man, sorry about that. As it says, I opened the Stack ages ago, but stuff kept getting in the way. This summer especially, I thought I'd have loads of time, but I basically haven't been home since June. I have a few plans, though, about what I will write. I might do an article on this among other things. This coming September, things are finally going to cool down; I'll finally be able to get some things done.
Maybe legalize dilute forms of natural opium as well. Natural opium was legal in much of this country until the late 1800s. We were rubbing tincture of opium on the gums of teething babies and still had a functional society.
Any partisan type war inevitably becomes full of atrocities, and I’m wondering how that would play out, in terms of public reaction. I could imagine a number of outcomes. The U.S. hasn’t experienced a war on its own soil in over a century. What happens if and when cartel mass killings become a U.S. phenomenon? For the last two decades, I’ve noticed that polite people are very reluctant to notice the extreme violence in Mexico, and it’s relatively easy to do so from a distance. I think, if they lost loved ones or feared for their lives, they would by and large tolerate the inevitable excesses of U.S. forces. Having lived through the 9/11 and the COVID era, I realize that many people are willing to sacrifice many liberties once they become frightened, and those times weren’t even that dire for most people. The government could get people to grant a great deal of power to the military and police. And as you said, this would likely generate opposition groups-I think not just on the right, but also on the left. Thus far, the cartel identity has been mostly just a criminal one, but with El Chapo, there arose a bit of sympathy, at least from U.S. celebrities. Were the cartels to successfully brand themselves as a political movement, they would attract more support from many people on the left, and in an all out war, I think we would see a number of U.S. supporters aiding the cartels in various ways. Even just a thin veneer of Communist paint might do it. And in turn, paramilitaries would likely go to war with these supporters, and the paramilitaries, if useful, would likely be financed or supported by government or other parties. Since it’s not a clear cut ethnic line like Israel/Palestine, I would imagine something like a more violent Troubles-era Northern Ireland.
People away from the conflict zones (not sure if any place in the U.S. would be away from it) would be more likely to criticize the use of force by the U.S. Europe would likely have many opinions about it. South America could potentially coalesce into a Pan-Latin union opposed to the U.S. Israel would possibly be sympathetic, although distraught if their gravy train dries up. Another question involves people engaged with the vast amount of money currently produced by the cartels. Narcotics money allowed some banks to remain functional in 2008, and one may wonder how such a massive trade could continue to exist without the support of international entities and local officials. Perhaps corruption may be the greatest hope for defusing the situation, since a number of important people and industries stand to lose a massive amount of money.
Counterpoint: There's no need to offer the legalised cocaine trade to the cartels. Allow open competition and they won't be able to suppress it all. See the booze trade for example. When it was a dirty underground racket the various mafias were able to enforce their monopolies, but once it went legitimate again suddenly there was too much competition to smack down, and since the competition was legal they could go to the authorities.
This isn't to say that the mafia don't control some bars and nightclubs, but they no longer have a stranglehold on the trade.
while thought provoking, i completely disagree with the assertion that somehow the same dynamics the Mexican cartel plays with would work in the US. For the primary reason that the collusion between big tech and big government makes that impossible. Facebook knows when you will poop, google has tens of billions of data points they track on nearly every single person globally. This is not the 1980s, where you could be an IRA gunman and can use compartimentalzation and wipes to clean gunpowder residue to bypass a 1980s tech security apparatus. We are talking about groups which can swing modern elections with targeted views, get to voter reminders on their preferred candiate/district demo. Modern technology and intelligence gathering is absolutely mind boggling, it would bet you google already has the data to map out the entire mexican cartel.
It all depends on if US nationals fight alongside the military and national guard and if local communities pull together in support. Support in logistics, arms, supplies and people. Consider the amount of arms just the population has at their disposal, nevermind the military.
I doubt the average Mexican citizens will fight alongside the cartels. Nor will they willingly support them. Nor does the average Mexican citizen have the arms to person ratio the US nationals do.
And I suspect the Mexican military wont do a damn thing either, out of self preservation.
P.S. Had someone ask on another forum to the effect of: Well Obviously America could do this with enough ruthless commitment, China would just ruthlessly crush these people, likewise look at El Salvador where they just arrested all the gang members. This is clearly a problem with the US just being unwilling to go all out.
Which: No. You misunderstand the scale of the problem.
The US probably could cripple 50% of the domestic US drug trade by 5x-ing the US prison population, which in and of itself might start a hot ethnic conflict on a par with the 1970s (not all Americans use drugs equally, and of those that do they're certainly not equal in their likelihood to get caught)...
The challenge is Hostily imposing this on another country of 126 million, where something like 30-50% of the local government is just pretending to be an ally whilst taking bribes and actively integrating with the cartels.
China has a problem like this, it's called corruption, and Chinese Corruption is absolutely impossible to root out not least because there isn't really a non-corrupt faction and every arrest for corruption is really just backdoor purging by the various factions.
So lets say America goes balls to the wall in Mexico, Full invasion of Iraq. HALF A MILLION US military personnel and then 200-400 thousand continuously once established, This is basically all the US can spare, with 1.4 million active-duty military personnel total, this is everyone but the people actually maintaining the bases and operating the Ships back in the US and around the empire...
The thing is that wasn't enough in Iraq. There was the entire war during the occupation which was only reduced down to a dull roar with the surge.
And this was Iraq with a population one third the Size of Mexico, a Shia Majority, and Kurdish minority that were being empowered by the US intervention against their hated Sunni minority rival who was the one actually fighting the US... And even then it didn't work, and Sunni ISIS arose within a decade, and the country is still divided between militias and local warlords.
You do that in a country with 3x the population, 2x the GDP, several massive cities, and insurgent networks that are basically already adapted to resist US surveillance (these guys have been paranoid about cellphones since the 80s, many cartel bosses simply do not allow cellphones within 200 meters of them, since they assume the NSA is already going full tilt spying on them, and that will be all of them instantly if the ones that don't start getting picked off)...
And also 10 cities with populations over a million where drone strikes basically can't be done, one of which is a ten-million-person mega-city that will just devour an army that tries to occupy it...
Oh ya and it's a permanently profitable trade. So you have to maintain this, for decades... because there's no way you're getting rid of all the corrupt Mexican officials, many of whom are popular and elected, and many of whom are the military... and it will instantly replace itself the second you leave.
RAND had a paper to the effect that The golden ratio for hostile occupations of conquered people is 1 soldier per 50 civilians... that's what was used in Germany after WW2 and Kosovo, America's 2 successful occupations.
America would need 2-3 million to do that in Mexico, or twice the number of people in the entire military... so you'd need a draft, which would be resisted, the resistance of which would be funded by the cartels... which would require further military force and straining of America's already stretched thin police to put down...
You see how this quickly becomes the American state itself being stretched thin, across AMERICA, even if the government magically bites the bullet and goes full force from the start, instead of making the easy call like they did in Vietnam and Iraq and massively under-committing thus letting their enemy organize and create networks, and adapt to the hardest hitting tactics, whilst the politicians are still calling their forces in country "Advisors" and telling the American people they're not at "war", whilst various military planners are actually kind-of secretly hoping something will happen and dozens of Americans will be killed so they can have popular support to actually do something that might be kind of effective...
It'll inevitably be something America sleepwalks backward into with some minor commitment, turning into casualties, turning into bigger commitments, turning into more casualties, turning into outrage, turning into a war, turning into a Quagmire... turning into Vietnam...
Except America would never be able to pull out of this Vietnam because it's RIGHT THERE, and the conflict would immediately be inside America's border.
El Salvador succeeded in its campaign because it's a country that was both unnecessary to the drug trade (so once the margins got high enough the trade could go elsewhere), it had the security force fully committed, it had local political will... and it did vastly less than you're thinking because they took out only 3 specific gangs not the trade itself (strongly suspect the El Salvadorian regime is backdoor participating in the international trade for personal profit just like Noriega, and their policy is just making a deal with the population to not let it affect El Salvador directly... so there was a massive profit motive in El Salvadorian security forces crushing MS-13, they were probably their rivals)
> and it did vastly less than you're thinking because they took out only 3 specific gangs not the trade itself (strongly suspect the El Salvadorian regime is backdoor participating in the international trade for personal profit just like Noriega, and their policy is just making a deal with the population to not let it affect El Salvador directly... so there was a massive profit motive in El Salvadorian security forces crushing MS-13, they were probably their rivals)
Doing this to Mexico would itself be a massive improvement.
USA could achieve the golden ratio of occupation forces by increasing the numenator... Or decreasing the denumenator. You don't even need nuclear weapons. Destroy the electric grid, water supply, sewage system, fuel lines, and an impossible problem to occupy and patrol a 10 million+ city solves itself as that city becomes a giant death trap with population rapidly dwindling to zero in outbreaks of cholera and typhus. It would certainly make a leap from a mere 'humanitarian' invasion of Mexico to root out cartels to a total war of destroying Mexico's critical infrastructure with cruise missiles, but technically it's feasible. 'Selling' it to an American public is another matter, but as they say, politics is art of possible, so some sufficiently gruesome act of terrorism on American soil should do the trick.
Is it a probable scenario? I guess it depends on one's estimate of competency and ruthlessness of the American regime. Which is in my estimate still pretty competent and way more ruthless than it portrays itself.
> The thing is that wasn't enough in Iraq. There was the entire war during the occupation which was only reduced down to a dull roar with the surge.
That's because the State Department wouldn't let the army do what Bukele did in El Salvador.
> This is clearly a problem with the US just being unwilling to go all out.
This is still true. If they were willing to go all out they'd deport hispanics from the US and brutally purge domestic gangs with connections to the cartels, then institute a very very very hard border.
That kind of resolve hasn't existed in the US since lincoln though. (not that I admire him, but he was brutally effective).
> The US probably could cripple 50% of the domestic US drug trade by 5x-ing the US prison population, which in and of itself might start a hot ethnic conflict on a par with the 1970s (not all Americans use drugs equally, and of those that do they're certainly not equal in their likelihood to get caught)...
Um, the violence in the 1970s wasn't caused by an increase in policing, quite the opposite.
Germany was pacified after the war. Mexico would not be. Different culture.
Well, judging by what happened in El Salvador, I'd suspect most Mexicans hate the cartels as well.
No doubt. However, they have been denied the ability to defend themselves and the government has failed to provide security. What will be the catalyst to change that?
My point, is that they're not exactly going to object if an external force comes in and deals with the cartels.
Domestic disputes are very dangerous for law enforcement. Warring parties suddenly unite in opposition to the outsider. And then go back to warring.
You paint a terrifying scenario, similar to what I've heard/read from people who definitely know what they're talking about, so this is all the more terrifying because of how plausible it is. Maybe this will be the Black Swan event that initiates hyperinflation of the dollar, and because the GAE's leaders run the country like a hedge fund, where nearly everything the government owns has been mortgaged or sold off and everything the government needs it basically rents, the GAE will quickly find itself unable to pay for anything, including the war effort. I'm sure those cunning Chinese Communist Party bosses are already working on manipulating Mexican and American leaders into this conflict (10% for the big guy!), and they'll be happy to supply the cartels and the Mexican government with everything they need to cause as much damage to the GAE as they can. Definitely this is a sobering addendum to John Carter's post about why America cannot win WWIII (https://barsoom.substack.com/p/why-america-cant-win-world-war-iii).
> Are American police just so upstanding and incorruptible that they don’t let any crime slide?
Compared to their Mexican counterparts, they are incredibly upstanding. One basic example, when was the last time you were pulled over and asked to give the officer a bribe to avoid a speeding ticket?
Very interesting take.
What's the likelihood that we'd get pulled into a hot war anyway, given that the cartels will only continue to expand their operations into the US and all it would take is one unhinged cartel to "ruin it for everyone"? Several outbursts of violence would precipitate a response by the US and it would only escalate from there. As frightening as you make it sound, I don't expect it to stay in Mexico forever, especially as the country continues to look more and more like Mexico.
Also, in my opinion, no serious political discussion of taking on the cartels can happen without the militarization of the border and a hardcore deportation process in place, neither of which has a chance of existing, I realize, but it's something that is an absolute prerequisite.
> It’d be absolutely insane to kick this hornet’s nest right on the US border…
You think it’s reasonable to just leave a hornet’s nest on our border?
As Machiavelli said: there is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others.
It may be a matter of pick your poison. The cartels have grown into a monster. They should have been dealt with decades ago. Dealing with them now would mean a war that would, as Kulak describes, destroy the US. Not dealing with them will mean slow death by spreading rot.
Honestly the best solution really is to just legalize coke, back a few cartels to go legit, and have them eat the rest, just as Kulak suggests.
> Honestly the best solution really is to just legalize coke,
Some blue cities are trying a backdoor version of that, you can see the results.
> back a few cartels to go legit
They're not going to change their behavior. Half their revenue isn't even related to drugs these days.
Well they're legalizing opioids mainly, which is a whole other ballgame.
Um, free crack pipe distributions.
Oh sure. I'm not disagreeing that the left is doing this. But first, the main thing really is opioids, which are massively more destructive. And second, "harm reduction" is essentially state sponsored enabling. Huge difference between that and treating coke like hard liquor.
> Huge difference between that and treating coke like hard liquor.
So what is this "huge difference", I don't see it?
Good read, but the angle from which you approach it is WRONG.
The US does not "want to" control drug trafficking, they ALREADY control it, the Cartels are their EMPLOYEES. (They have used Cartel territory to train mercenaries, they have used Cartel money to overthrow governments, etc.)
What the US REALLY wants to control are Mexico's RESOURCES (Oil, Lithium, etc.). The Cartels are just the PRETEXT, just as Al-Qaeda was to invade Afghanistan.
Why is this happening now?
Because the CURRENT government of Mexico is nationalist and has not allowed advantageous conditions for the US.
So the US needs to change the government of Mexico.
And they are attacking on several fronts, the first is the classic one; propaganda, financing of dark political actors, etc. And since it is failing, they are preparing this "War against the Cartels of Mass Destruction" as plan B.
Plan C would be a full-fledged coup d'état, Ukraine-style.
Plan D would be a full-scale invasion, Iraq-style, and as radical as it may sound, it is not outside the range of possibilities. Mexico is more important to the United States than Ukraine, the Baltic, or the Strait of Malacca.
Very good article. The only real disagreements I have is that I doubt the far right will be doing any rebelling against the government, especially when an army of foreigners is attacking and killing Americans and I do think tactics like the one you opened the article with would only make America chimp out and turn it into a true war of destruction.
The issues with naroterrorism and a narco state are not that far from the surface a bit closer to home, around Antwerp and Rotterdam. I think your suggestion of legalization is the only solution, I'd go further and extend it to everything.
At the risk of sounding callous, this might be the best thing that happens to Europe. Everything you said will probably be true, but still not as catastrophic as the USA picking a fight with Russia and China at the same time.
With American attention elsewhere, Europe might finally have enough freedom and risk (no longer under the American umbrella) to have to re-enter world history whether they like it or not. Especially if we don’t have to worry about a looming Russia ready to destroy everything.
The problem is this issue is totally inevitable. American hubris created this cartels and now Gods judgement shall fall on this nation. Mexico will be Nebuchadnezzar and the US a rebellious Israel. The silver lining is that post this event a honourable country might rise out of the ashes of this conflict.
> With American attention elsewhere, Europe might finally have enough freedom and risk (no longer under the American umbrella) to have to re-enter world history whether they like it or not. Especially if we don’t have to worry about a looming Russia ready to destroy everything.
If America leaves Europe, Europe will definitely have to worry about a looming Russia.
Not quite what I’m saying. In this instance, the Eye of Sauron as it were would be completely fixed south of the border apart from the odd peek at Russia. This gives A LOT more move for manoeuvre for RW groups to mess around, as the USA is now much less likely to open a second front.
> American hubris created this cartels
WTF, are you talking about?
The Mexican cartels and the entire drug route going north are to satisfy America's desire for narcotics. You guys (I'm assuming you're American; apologies if you're not), far and away, consume more drugs than anyone else. If the American people had their shit together regarding drugs, then there would be far less demand for the cartels to supply. Maybe if you guys weren't so gay in alcohol and tobacco, this wouldn't be a problem, but anyway, in digressing.
However, the people are not entirely to blame. As many others have said, the Americans have been deliberately poisoned in almost every way. Your bodies and minds have been completely wrecked, your livelihoods destroyed, and you are left with nothing but despair. And that's not even considering the CIA's campaigns actively promoting the Drug trade. But this doesn't change the fact that you have created this monster and have been unwilling to do anything about it due to your failing civic values. You could shoot every drug dealer and severely punish anyone who partakes in drugs, whether legally or socially, but you don't, because that's unconstitutional. What value is the Constitution if it allowed all this to happen and hampers every attempt to fix it? You have allowed a monster to grow at your feet, and now it will eat you whole.
Also, in a Cosmic Justice kind of way, it's fitting. Americans have never had to worry about the consequences of their military excursions as they fucked around in other countries, be it Europe, Africa, or the Middle East. Now, the results of your actions are coming to roost. Just like Nebuchadnezzar was God's agent in punishing Israel, so will the cartels be God's agent in punishing America for its iniquities.
P.S. I don't hate the USA. In general, you guys are great, and I love lots of stuff about Americans and the USA. But the point still stands that you are the anti-Christ of our times.
> And that's not even considering the CIA's campaigns actively promoting the Drug trade.
No matter how many times I see it, the twenty year old warmed over leftist propaganda to edgy rightist hot take pipeline is something to behold.
Even if there is no CIA involvement in the drug trade, which I find unlikely, it doesn't undermine my premise. America has brought this upon herself. Have you got anything to say about that?
Aw man I was excited when I read your comment and saw Captain Haddock, but was left cursing like him when I saw you never got your stack going.
Yeah, man, sorry about that. As it says, I opened the Stack ages ago, but stuff kept getting in the way. This summer especially, I thought I'd have loads of time, but I basically haven't been home since June. I have a few plans, though, about what I will write. I might do an article on this among other things. This coming September, things are finally going to cool down; I'll finally be able to get some things done.
Maybe legalize dilute forms of natural opium as well. Natural opium was legal in much of this country until the late 1800s. We were rubbing tincture of opium on the gums of teething babies and still had a functional society.
Who cares?!
Any partisan type war inevitably becomes full of atrocities, and I’m wondering how that would play out, in terms of public reaction. I could imagine a number of outcomes. The U.S. hasn’t experienced a war on its own soil in over a century. What happens if and when cartel mass killings become a U.S. phenomenon? For the last two decades, I’ve noticed that polite people are very reluctant to notice the extreme violence in Mexico, and it’s relatively easy to do so from a distance. I think, if they lost loved ones or feared for their lives, they would by and large tolerate the inevitable excesses of U.S. forces. Having lived through the 9/11 and the COVID era, I realize that many people are willing to sacrifice many liberties once they become frightened, and those times weren’t even that dire for most people. The government could get people to grant a great deal of power to the military and police. And as you said, this would likely generate opposition groups-I think not just on the right, but also on the left. Thus far, the cartel identity has been mostly just a criminal one, but with El Chapo, there arose a bit of sympathy, at least from U.S. celebrities. Were the cartels to successfully brand themselves as a political movement, they would attract more support from many people on the left, and in an all out war, I think we would see a number of U.S. supporters aiding the cartels in various ways. Even just a thin veneer of Communist paint might do it. And in turn, paramilitaries would likely go to war with these supporters, and the paramilitaries, if useful, would likely be financed or supported by government or other parties. Since it’s not a clear cut ethnic line like Israel/Palestine, I would imagine something like a more violent Troubles-era Northern Ireland.
People away from the conflict zones (not sure if any place in the U.S. would be away from it) would be more likely to criticize the use of force by the U.S. Europe would likely have many opinions about it. South America could potentially coalesce into a Pan-Latin union opposed to the U.S. Israel would possibly be sympathetic, although distraught if their gravy train dries up. Another question involves people engaged with the vast amount of money currently produced by the cartels. Narcotics money allowed some banks to remain functional in 2008, and one may wonder how such a massive trade could continue to exist without the support of international entities and local officials. Perhaps corruption may be the greatest hope for defusing the situation, since a number of important people and industries stand to lose a massive amount of money.
Counterpoint: There's no need to offer the legalised cocaine trade to the cartels. Allow open competition and they won't be able to suppress it all. See the booze trade for example. When it was a dirty underground racket the various mafias were able to enforce their monopolies, but once it went legitimate again suddenly there was too much competition to smack down, and since the competition was legal they could go to the authorities.
This isn't to say that the mafia don't control some bars and nightclubs, but they no longer have a stranglehold on the trade.
while thought provoking, i completely disagree with the assertion that somehow the same dynamics the Mexican cartel plays with would work in the US. For the primary reason that the collusion between big tech and big government makes that impossible. Facebook knows when you will poop, google has tens of billions of data points they track on nearly every single person globally. This is not the 1980s, where you could be an IRA gunman and can use compartimentalzation and wipes to clean gunpowder residue to bypass a 1980s tech security apparatus. We are talking about groups which can swing modern elections with targeted views, get to voter reminders on their preferred candiate/district demo. Modern technology and intelligence gathering is absolutely mind boggling, it would bet you google already has the data to map out the entire mexican cartel.
It all depends on if US nationals fight alongside the military and national guard and if local communities pull together in support. Support in logistics, arms, supplies and people. Consider the amount of arms just the population has at their disposal, nevermind the military.
I doubt the average Mexican citizens will fight alongside the cartels. Nor will they willingly support them. Nor does the average Mexican citizen have the arms to person ratio the US nationals do.
And I suspect the Mexican military wont do a damn thing either, out of self preservation.
-Bill Freeman
Nice story. If cartels started torturing random Americans then Mexico would be nuked to oblivion.