> I've read multiple books by men who committed sepuku. One was a westerner who was paralyzed from the chest down...
A man who spent his last months on earth writing a manifesto, pleading that his readers support the legalization of suicide. Who wanted desperately to die in bed, surrounded by his loved ones, after bidding them good-bye. Who instead died alone, having concealed his intentions and true feelings from them for months for fear they would put him into protective custody and close his last avenue of escape.
Clayton would have gladly taken the ugly compromise of assisted suicide over the horror he had to endure.
There's a big distinction between wanting to be legally able to put your affairs in order/talk to family/ not be imprisoned by the state, and wanting to live the final moments of your life through the state.
Clayton, being 70% paralyzed was actually one of the few people who would have a justifiable claim for needing outside assistance to commit suicide, and he pulled it off himself.
By contrast I've seen stories of teens in Canada seeking assisted suicide, not using any of the legal protections to put their affairs in order, and then backing down once their parents catch wind and threaten to sue the doctor... not because anything's really stopping them from killing themselves, but because now they don't have the emotional crutch of institutional assistance.
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I don't object to people being legally able to kill themselves (wat the hell are you going to do? Imprison them for life strapped to a gurney?), I object to tax dollars and the legal system pressuring them into killing themselves in the ugliest way possible, and the mentality that goes along with that ugly means of dying.
I just watched my grandfather go... 6+ months of crippling medical issues, and physical and mental decline... my god I don't want to die in a hospital bed tended by some infantilizing nurse.
If it ever gets near that I'll walk out on the ice and keep walking.
The notion that capital punishment should be banned in all circumstances is untenable. History shows it's the only way to deal with the worst white collar criminals. They have enough money and connections to escape or mitigate any other punishment.
Good article, and ultimately where I land. This issue is personal for me. In 2012, my father had a massive mental breakdown. Lots of backstory that I won’t dredge up here. He was going to be hospitalized, and decided he didn’t want to go down that road.
His last words to my mother before he ran off into the mountains he loved were, “I’m done.” His remains were found three months later. My mother couldn’t bring herself to call it a suicide, but I always get that was what my father intended. He saw what the future held for him, and he felt a death in the mountains he loved was preferable.
Do I like his choice? Hell no! But do I respect it? Yes. He went out on his own terms.
No man has a right to get someone else to kill him, committing murder in the process. And the very last person he would ever have the right to ask is a doctor, who has sworn to do no harm.
Or are living with conditions the author’s naïveté has no clue whatsoever about. A peaceful, clean, chosen end amongst those who live you is a celebration of love and life and an act of honor and respect the author’s angry, inexperienced and immature mind cannot comprehend.
The majority of Canadians now support MAID for homelessness. The oligarchy makes life unlivable for many of its citizens, then kills them when they finally surrender. No other words for it than evil. We live in evil times.
I do not agree with the sentiment of taking unwilling people with you by crashing a plane into a building, mass shooting, etc. If one chooses suicide, fine, but killing others deprives them of choice and seems a sleazy way of killing without facing consequences.
Cases in which I would prefer that someone use assisted suicide are those involving people killing themselves at home so that loved ones can find them. Again, this seems a cheap and spiteful way to horrify family members without facing personal consequences.
Otherwise, I tend to agree that seeking help in doing it, barring exceptional cases of, say, quadriplegics, is a bad idea. If you couldn’t or wouldn’t do it alone, you probably shouldn’t.
Interesting angle: why involve others? what doctor would actually participate? why seek permission? Why turn something so personal into a bureaucratic exercise? Why are we allowing the state to get involved in killing more people? Big questions.
Interesting take on it. Kinda have to agree… but at the same time, what a cop out to the real underlying issues our society has morphed into. There will always be self destructive people in society…. Addictions, self harm, what ever… just part of the equation. But this sudden surge in life ending decisions? The acceptance of the “state” allowing you to die when you are 20 and depressed?
This to me is insanity… the same insanity that allows men, dressed up as women to groom children in public schools.
So in that aspect, I agree… you want to end it? Have the balls to do it yourself. But have the decency to do it without involving others to join you. That is what I ask…
I like this article because it helps to bring respect and power back to my father who committed suicide in 2014…used his own gun and did it in the woods…makes me feel a bit more proud in that it truly did reflect the type of the kind of man he was, he was big on integrity…as I am rn while raising my two sons…Having done it himself makes me at least feel like he was truly strong enough to take himself and no one else with him…although the perception of who I was, my mother was prior to that day is forever gone and distorted…with everything going on and being further revealed in this life…I feel he wasn’t in the wrong for his actions…I just currently am fighting the urge to make it seem like a illogical option, when before he did what he did…it was never a thought. Now I have thoughts and then deny them as irrational…it’s because I could never put my sons or my husband through what I had to go through…I honor his will tho, he saw through the perversions of this life and especially wars after Vietnam…I’m truly blessed he lasted as long as he did knowing what he knew…what we all know now…I truly feel more blessed knowing he had the willpower to stay as long as he did…and I’m not as mad at him anymore for doing it. Any of my pain is just selfish because I wish I had more time with him.
I can attest to the experience in California. Patients have to ingest the medication. It is not an injection that is administered by someone else. For those who can’t swallow, a rectal catheter can be rigged to a delivery pump, but they need to trigger the delivery pump itself
It is a torturing thought that people who are homeless can be deemed unworthy of life because of their lack of means, when there is enough wasted money in Canada to provide them all with homes and support many times over.
The human race has lost its humanity. Doctors are no longer to be trusted, despite their oath to do no harm.
And how many people know what happens in these newly introduced 'pods' for suicide, where you are rendered voiceless and drown in your own lung excretions,
lasting for maybe an hour without the capacity to cry out? It's Hell writ large, carried out by devils and paid for by fools.
My plan is to sneak off into a forest, find a nice spot and just starve to death.
Always had an interest in people who commit suicide by fasting. It's a rejection of this world, a refusal to partake of any more of this plane, I see why so many religious people went out that way
> I've read multiple books by men who committed sepuku. One was a westerner who was paralyzed from the chest down...
A man who spent his last months on earth writing a manifesto, pleading that his readers support the legalization of suicide. Who wanted desperately to die in bed, surrounded by his loved ones, after bidding them good-bye. Who instead died alone, having concealed his intentions and true feelings from them for months for fear they would put him into protective custody and close his last avenue of escape.
Clayton would have gladly taken the ugly compromise of assisted suicide over the horror he had to endure.
There's a big distinction between wanting to be legally able to put your affairs in order/talk to family/ not be imprisoned by the state, and wanting to live the final moments of your life through the state.
Clayton, being 70% paralyzed was actually one of the few people who would have a justifiable claim for needing outside assistance to commit suicide, and he pulled it off himself.
By contrast I've seen stories of teens in Canada seeking assisted suicide, not using any of the legal protections to put their affairs in order, and then backing down once their parents catch wind and threaten to sue the doctor... not because anything's really stopping them from killing themselves, but because now they don't have the emotional crutch of institutional assistance.
.
I don't object to people being legally able to kill themselves (wat the hell are you going to do? Imprison them for life strapped to a gurney?), I object to tax dollars and the legal system pressuring them into killing themselves in the ugliest way possible, and the mentality that goes along with that ugly means of dying.
I just watched my grandfather go... 6+ months of crippling medical issues, and physical and mental decline... my god I don't want to die in a hospital bed tended by some infantilizing nurse.
If it ever gets near that I'll walk out on the ice and keep walking.
The notion that capital punishment should be banned in all circumstances is untenable. History shows it's the only way to deal with the worst white collar criminals. They have enough money and connections to escape or mitigate any other punishment.
A conscious choice of dignity over pain,
Good article, and ultimately where I land. This issue is personal for me. In 2012, my father had a massive mental breakdown. Lots of backstory that I won’t dredge up here. He was going to be hospitalized, and decided he didn’t want to go down that road.
His last words to my mother before he ran off into the mountains he loved were, “I’m done.” His remains were found three months later. My mother couldn’t bring herself to call it a suicide, but I always get that was what my father intended. He saw what the future held for him, and he felt a death in the mountains he loved was preferable.
Do I like his choice? Hell no! But do I respect it? Yes. He went out on his own terms.
No man has a right to get someone else to kill him, committing murder in the process. And the very last person he would ever have the right to ask is a doctor, who has sworn to do no harm.
Do no harm eh? How many times have you Covid vaccinated yourself?
Doctors are used to killing people. Accidentaly, and for money. They are the perfect choice.
Without getting into a long drawn out exchange of opinions on the topic, let me just say, “You have no idea what you’re talking about.”
Or are living with conditions the author’s naïveté has no clue whatsoever about. A peaceful, clean, chosen end amongst those who live you is a celebration of love and life and an act of honor and respect the author’s angry, inexperienced and immature mind cannot comprehend.
All the people who do are dead.
The majority of Canadians now support MAID for homelessness. The oligarchy makes life unlivable for many of its citizens, then kills them when they finally surrender. No other words for it than evil. We live in evil times.
I do not agree with the sentiment of taking unwilling people with you by crashing a plane into a building, mass shooting, etc. If one chooses suicide, fine, but killing others deprives them of choice and seems a sleazy way of killing without facing consequences.
Cases in which I would prefer that someone use assisted suicide are those involving people killing themselves at home so that loved ones can find them. Again, this seems a cheap and spiteful way to horrify family members without facing personal consequences.
Otherwise, I tend to agree that seeking help in doing it, barring exceptional cases of, say, quadriplegics, is a bad idea. If you couldn’t or wouldn’t do it alone, you probably shouldn’t.
Interesting angle: why involve others? what doctor would actually participate? why seek permission? Why turn something so personal into a bureaucratic exercise? Why are we allowing the state to get involved in killing more people? Big questions.
You can tell much about the way a person lived by the way they (choose to) die.
Interesting take on it. Kinda have to agree… but at the same time, what a cop out to the real underlying issues our society has morphed into. There will always be self destructive people in society…. Addictions, self harm, what ever… just part of the equation. But this sudden surge in life ending decisions? The acceptance of the “state” allowing you to die when you are 20 and depressed?
This to me is insanity… the same insanity that allows men, dressed up as women to groom children in public schools.
So in that aspect, I agree… you want to end it? Have the balls to do it yourself. But have the decency to do it without involving others to join you. That is what I ask…
I like this article because it helps to bring respect and power back to my father who committed suicide in 2014…used his own gun and did it in the woods…makes me feel a bit more proud in that it truly did reflect the type of the kind of man he was, he was big on integrity…as I am rn while raising my two sons…Having done it himself makes me at least feel like he was truly strong enough to take himself and no one else with him…although the perception of who I was, my mother was prior to that day is forever gone and distorted…with everything going on and being further revealed in this life…I feel he wasn’t in the wrong for his actions…I just currently am fighting the urge to make it seem like a illogical option, when before he did what he did…it was never a thought. Now I have thoughts and then deny them as irrational…it’s because I could never put my sons or my husband through what I had to go through…I honor his will tho, he saw through the perversions of this life and especially wars after Vietnam…I’m truly blessed he lasted as long as he did knowing what he knew…what we all know now…I truly feel more blessed knowing he had the willpower to stay as long as he did…and I’m not as mad at him anymore for doing it. Any of my pain is just selfish because I wish I had more time with him.
"suicide only requires one functional finger"
That is such a badass statement. I love this post so much.
I can attest to the experience in California. Patients have to ingest the medication. It is not an injection that is administered by someone else. For those who can’t swallow, a rectal catheter can be rigged to a delivery pump, but they need to trigger the delivery pump itself
The call centers need to keep an eye out for me, just one more call wile am eating and armageddon it.
Then again that might be there goal
It is a torturing thought that people who are homeless can be deemed unworthy of life because of their lack of means, when there is enough wasted money in Canada to provide them all with homes and support many times over.
The human race has lost its humanity. Doctors are no longer to be trusted, despite their oath to do no harm.
And how many people know what happens in these newly introduced 'pods' for suicide, where you are rendered voiceless and drown in your own lung excretions,
lasting for maybe an hour without the capacity to cry out? It's Hell writ large, carried out by devils and paid for by fools.
My plan is to sneak off into a forest, find a nice spot and just starve to death.
Always had an interest in people who commit suicide by fasting. It's a rejection of this world, a refusal to partake of any more of this plane, I see why so many religious people went out that way
I'd be OK if they tried to off themselves with a massive dose of psychedelics.
Chances are they would survive, and they'd no longer desire to snuff it.