I wish some of the old school pulp fantasy writers like Robert. E Howard could have seen some of the stuff in this sphere. This way of interpreting history and mythology really reminds me of him.
Also reading this oddly made me want to read Jane Eyre. This Norse stuff sounds like the exact opposite of the British Christian conception of ideal womanhood.
You should read Jane Eyre then, you'll find some links here that you wouldn't expect. Jane Eyre is haughty and rebellious and obstinate and unyielding, though virtuous, you could even argue her counter-part in the story completes the BPD Alpha Widow complex without ruining Jane's wings.
That sounds interesting. I learned about Jane Eyre from A-Level English Literature module on Wide Sargasso Sea. Its kind of like a hatefic? Its a takedown of Rochester and sympathises with Bertha. Its a powerfully resentful story I think, probably very personal for the author, but maybe of value.
My friend recommended that, it's a feminist subversive version of the story and frankly didn't sound appealing at all. I do not consider Jane Eyre to be anything of the sort.
Great piece. Profound food for thought. Feels to me like the attraction is because Brunhilde is the polar opposite of the ‘blancmange beings’ (male and female) that todays world works so hard to cultivate. A woman with balls. (I like the metaphor of a woman with balls - though I don’t believe that anyone who has testicles, or who ever had testicles, can be a woman). I was listening the other day to psychologist Gabor Mate talking about how the most common regret near the end of life is people having not lived the life they wanted to live, but one others wanted them to live. (I suppose often one that they THOUGHT others wanted them to live). That is the heart of everything. Sadly the values, vision and angst of many young ‘feminists’ today doesn’t come out of their own hearts but out of what political manipulators have told them to think and feel. They think they are Brunhildes but they are not. Perhaps with time.
There is nothing particularly northern European or “white” about the assertive and downright chaotic female archetypes, both positive and negative. Every single thing described here exists in Indian culture, for example, including women voluntarily jumping on the funeral pyres of their husbands or lovers to prove some point. There are “ugra” versions of every Hindu goddess, that represents her chaotic aspects, and they have all always been worshipped in India. In fact, I think you are mischaracterizing the various types of divine female archetypes by calling them all psycho, BPD, bitch-energy or whatever. There is actual substance to the “wild” sounding stories that you have missed out on by lumping it all together.
It’s not widespread as a social practice at all, in fact I don’t think it ever was. British laws actually increased its prevalence because they made the death of widows highly profitable to the rest of the family, which wasn’t the case in traditional Indian law systems. But Sati is still a part of many central Hindu myths, and there are a few key historical events of prominent queens doing it, and so they carry a sort of female heroic legacy through that. There is still worship of that impulse.
I can’t believe people are actually celebrating this baseless garbage… Women are so easy to see through that it’s unreal!
Brunhilde wasn’t a “crazy BPD psycho bitch”… She was a woman with the courage and feistyness of a man. Actual “crazy BPD psycho bitches” are actually extremely neurotic, extremely promiscuous, and extremely socially susceptible to the point where they usually mimic those around them. The exact qualities you attribute to slaves. Choosing death before slavery is not a “crazy BPD psycho bitch” trait.
The author’s connection is apt. The woman’s energy is the same, it is how it is channeled. The “crazy BPD psycho bitch” serves her Alpha with her whole being, her sexuality, her receptiveness, UNTIL she successfully bitches him and comes to resent him for not living up to the image she originally saw.
Managing a relationship is the art of keeping that image strong by being genuinely strong, and unaffected, and it becomes harder with time as they learn your weaknesses and tricks and you give away easy leverage with commitment.
She acquires more belts and moves in your “karate school” under your tutelage and regularly tries to challenge the master. The key is to flip her on her head every time so she knows no matter how much she’s learned, she still can’t beat the master.
Over thought and ludicrous conclusions. Black women in America have basically castrated all black men, hispanic women have murdering cocaine cartel queens, asian women crave men of authority and wealth as much as any others. Human nature is universal and unchanging. The gods are capricious.
So Brunhilde joins the pantheon of women acting umm… problematically for a civilization. Pandora. Eve. Brunhilde. Y’all get this female behavior, documented across cultures and millennia, is why the West rose before suffrage, has been declining since, and why, with late-stage feminism it is circling the drain, right?
Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned; nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.
So true. I had two grandmothers who were extremely uncompromising and vengeful, even. I don't think they would have jumped on any funeral pyres, though.
Some thoughts on the topic of 'boyfriend stabbing': I got essentially the same image search results as you did for 'woman stabs boyfriend' - but I also did image searches for 'woman shoots boyfriend', 'woman poisons boyfriend', and 'woman kills boyfriend'. Interestingly, the results for the latter three were more diverse, with hispanic, asian, indian, and indecipherably mixed women all making an appearance. More interestingly, the white women who did appear were on average older and strikingly less attractive than the boyfriend stabbers - it was the first thing I noticed. What mean?
I can see a shooting being in self defense. And a firearm has the advantage of being equally effective for a 40 kilo Indian lady as for an 80 kilo Brunhilde. Same with poison, they want the man dead, but it’s premeditated. Possibly an escape from an intolerable situation.
Grabbing a blade and aerating a typically larger and stronger male require rage and aggression.
Thank you, but I pass, even without taking into account the fact that such selection leads you to the ideas of feminism, which in turn lead to widespread disorder (modern Valkyries sleep with more than just Siegfried) and a drop in the birth rate of your population to the level of Germany and Ukraine . This is not success.
I think we don't have to choose between slavery and death: sexual dimorphism saves us. Afghan men have honor and courage, while Afghan women are submissive and feminine. Men prone to cowardice and treachery on the battlefield were more likely to lose, be enslaved (deprived of their reproductive abilities), or killed. On the other hand, for enslaved women the opposite was true: the presence and survival of children ensured obedience. This also applies to Europeans to some extent (don't forget about cold winter factor, which indicates the high dependence of a woman and her children on a man)
dude i have many sisters. this is so true. fiery redheads, willfull as hell. it may be an overabundace of life energy. I am told, exciting. better to have a warrior woman on your side when it counts than a simpering ninny. They will do things, that you would not believe. if i were to write them, no one would buy it. I will keep them to myself. do not want people to be fore warned, now do we?
Just came across this fascinating - if slightly scary - essay. The scary men don't want the scary women and the 'nice' women don't want the 'nice' men....is the Wagnerian Western tragedy here....(as in my 'Less Desired' piece: https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/the-less-desired).
You don't mention Tristan & Isolde?....a better opera than The Ring in my view.
Sorry if you covered this in your other essay as I've only just discovered your Substack but I wonder if you could reframe the story of Clytemnestra and Agamemnon in this light?
The version we get today mostly comes from the POV of Aeschylus, whose plays were often subversions of the "mainstream" Archaic Greek view of his time. One might argue that in the original telling, King Agamemnon's unnatural sacrifice of their daughter to kick off a global conflict throws the entire world order out of whack and it's up to Spartan-princess-and-Mycenaean-queen Clytemnestra to restore it with her uncompromising fury, a worthy mate, and a righteous murder.
And she would have gotten away with it too were it not for her ungrateful kids from the previous marriage! Never saw the parallels between Orestes and Amleth(Hamlet) until I read this article. Well done!
well, i am of the ancestry, but i find parent hood to be super fun. I am the Mother Hood. It is kinds awesome to have a couple of men around as ballsy as you. if you raise them that way, they will be.
Sorry....I was half joking really. Because I came across your comment here via your 'liking' of one of mine (about TMI) on Mary Harrington's. I also put another comment on this Anarchromicon post which I think you would find interesting.
I will now use this to justify my attraction to “toxic” women
A litttle bit of crazy isn’t a bad thing!
I wish some of the old school pulp fantasy writers like Robert. E Howard could have seen some of the stuff in this sphere. This way of interpreting history and mythology really reminds me of him.
Also reading this oddly made me want to read Jane Eyre. This Norse stuff sounds like the exact opposite of the British Christian conception of ideal womanhood.
You should read Jane Eyre then, you'll find some links here that you wouldn't expect. Jane Eyre is haughty and rebellious and obstinate and unyielding, though virtuous, you could even argue her counter-part in the story completes the BPD Alpha Widow complex without ruining Jane's wings.
That sounds interesting. I learned about Jane Eyre from A-Level English Literature module on Wide Sargasso Sea. Its kind of like a hatefic? Its a takedown of Rochester and sympathises with Bertha. Its a powerfully resentful story I think, probably very personal for the author, but maybe of value.
My friend recommended that, it's a feminist subversive version of the story and frankly didn't sound appealing at all. I do not consider Jane Eyre to be anything of the sort.
Great piece. Profound food for thought. Feels to me like the attraction is because Brunhilde is the polar opposite of the ‘blancmange beings’ (male and female) that todays world works so hard to cultivate. A woman with balls. (I like the metaphor of a woman with balls - though I don’t believe that anyone who has testicles, or who ever had testicles, can be a woman). I was listening the other day to psychologist Gabor Mate talking about how the most common regret near the end of life is people having not lived the life they wanted to live, but one others wanted them to live. (I suppose often one that they THOUGHT others wanted them to live). That is the heart of everything. Sadly the values, vision and angst of many young ‘feminists’ today doesn’t come out of their own hearts but out of what political manipulators have told them to think and feel. They think they are Brunhildes but they are not. Perhaps with time.
https://youtube.com/shorts/TzML8Er-N8I?si=KDSV7XYbbJCQi6rE
There is nothing particularly northern European or “white” about the assertive and downright chaotic female archetypes, both positive and negative. Every single thing described here exists in Indian culture, for example, including women voluntarily jumping on the funeral pyres of their husbands or lovers to prove some point. There are “ugra” versions of every Hindu goddess, that represents her chaotic aspects, and they have all always been worshipped in India. In fact, I think you are mischaracterizing the various types of divine female archetypes by calling them all psycho, BPD, bitch-energy or whatever. There is actual substance to the “wild” sounding stories that you have missed out on by lumping it all together.
Just read Will Durant's "Our Oriental Heritage" and he writes about suttee quite a bit. Didn't know how widespread it was.
It’s not widespread as a social practice at all, in fact I don’t think it ever was. British laws actually increased its prevalence because they made the death of widows highly profitable to the rest of the family, which wasn’t the case in traditional Indian law systems. But Sati is still a part of many central Hindu myths, and there are a few key historical events of prominent queens doing it, and so they carry a sort of female heroic legacy through that. There is still worship of that impulse.
I can’t believe people are actually celebrating this baseless garbage… Women are so easy to see through that it’s unreal!
Brunhilde wasn’t a “crazy BPD psycho bitch”… She was a woman with the courage and feistyness of a man. Actual “crazy BPD psycho bitches” are actually extremely neurotic, extremely promiscuous, and extremely socially susceptible to the point where they usually mimic those around them. The exact qualities you attribute to slaves. Choosing death before slavery is not a “crazy BPD psycho bitch” trait.
The author’s connection is apt. The woman’s energy is the same, it is how it is channeled. The “crazy BPD psycho bitch” serves her Alpha with her whole being, her sexuality, her receptiveness, UNTIL she successfully bitches him and comes to resent him for not living up to the image she originally saw.
Managing a relationship is the art of keeping that image strong by being genuinely strong, and unaffected, and it becomes harder with time as they learn your weaknesses and tricks and you give away easy leverage with commitment.
She acquires more belts and moves in your “karate school” under your tutelage and regularly tries to challenge the master. The key is to flip her on her head every time so she knows no matter how much she’s learned, she still can’t beat the master.
I wonder how many of the commenters are themselves crazy BPD bitches.
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Over thought and ludicrous conclusions. Black women in America have basically castrated all black men, hispanic women have murdering cocaine cartel queens, asian women crave men of authority and wealth as much as any others. Human nature is universal and unchanging. The gods are capricious.
So Brunhilde joins the pantheon of women acting umm… problematically for a civilization. Pandora. Eve. Brunhilde. Y’all get this female behavior, documented across cultures and millennia, is why the West rose before suffrage, has been declining since, and why, with late-stage feminism it is circling the drain, right?
Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned ..
Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned; nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.
So true. I had two grandmothers who were extremely uncompromising and vengeful, even. I don't think they would have jumped on any funeral pyres, though.
Some thoughts on the topic of 'boyfriend stabbing': I got essentially the same image search results as you did for 'woman stabs boyfriend' - but I also did image searches for 'woman shoots boyfriend', 'woman poisons boyfriend', and 'woman kills boyfriend'. Interestingly, the results for the latter three were more diverse, with hispanic, asian, indian, and indecipherably mixed women all making an appearance. More interestingly, the white women who did appear were on average older and strikingly less attractive than the boyfriend stabbers - it was the first thing I noticed. What mean?
I can see a shooting being in self defense. And a firearm has the advantage of being equally effective for a 40 kilo Indian lady as for an 80 kilo Brunhilde. Same with poison, they want the man dead, but it’s premeditated. Possibly an escape from an intolerable situation.
Grabbing a blade and aerating a typically larger and stronger male require rage and aggression.
Internet searches for crime statistics need to be taken with a grain of salt these days. It may well be skewed to show more white offenders.
Thank you, but I pass, even without taking into account the fact that such selection leads you to the ideas of feminism, which in turn lead to widespread disorder (modern Valkyries sleep with more than just Siegfried) and a drop in the birth rate of your population to the level of Germany and Ukraine . This is not success.
I think we don't have to choose between slavery and death: sexual dimorphism saves us. Afghan men have honor and courage, while Afghan women are submissive and feminine. Men prone to cowardice and treachery on the battlefield were more likely to lose, be enslaved (deprived of their reproductive abilities), or killed. On the other hand, for enslaved women the opposite was true: the presence and survival of children ensured obedience. This also applies to Europeans to some extent (don't forget about cold winter factor, which indicates the high dependence of a woman and her children on a man)
dude i have many sisters. this is so true. fiery redheads, willfull as hell. it may be an overabundace of life energy. I am told, exciting. better to have a warrior woman on your side when it counts than a simpering ninny. They will do things, that you would not believe. if i were to write them, no one would buy it. I will keep them to myself. do not want people to be fore warned, now do we?
Just came across this fascinating - if slightly scary - essay. The scary men don't want the scary women and the 'nice' women don't want the 'nice' men....is the Wagnerian Western tragedy here....(as in my 'Less Desired' piece: https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/the-less-desired).
You don't mention Tristan & Isolde?....a better opera than The Ring in my view.
Sorry if you covered this in your other essay as I've only just discovered your Substack but I wonder if you could reframe the story of Clytemnestra and Agamemnon in this light?
The version we get today mostly comes from the POV of Aeschylus, whose plays were often subversions of the "mainstream" Archaic Greek view of his time. One might argue that in the original telling, King Agamemnon's unnatural sacrifice of their daughter to kick off a global conflict throws the entire world order out of whack and it's up to Spartan-princess-and-Mycenaean-queen Clytemnestra to restore it with her uncompromising fury, a worthy mate, and a righteous murder.
And she would have gotten away with it too were it not for her ungrateful kids from the previous marriage! Never saw the parallels between Orestes and Amleth(Hamlet) until I read this article. Well done!
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Thanks.
So women like you only reproduced in the past? Your story kinda both confirms and discredits the theory of the article.
I think you kind of missed the point. Valkyries aren't promiscuous. They wait for the one and die if they can't have him.
well, i am of the ancestry, but i find parent hood to be super fun. I am the Mother Hood. It is kinds awesome to have a couple of men around as ballsy as you. if you raise them that way, they will be.
With your surname "Cole" I hardly believe that
Interesting....but a little too much info perhaps?
Sorry....I was half joking really. Because I came across your comment here via your 'liking' of one of mine (about TMI) on Mary Harrington's. I also put another comment on this Anarchromicon post which I think you would find interesting.