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Bhavik Patel's avatar

Agreed & I'll add the Iranian attack on Israel is more likely to be the future of war.

Yes, Iran telegraphed their strike & the entire thing was a pantomime, sending drones that took 9 hours to reach Israel, laughable.

Now if Iran really wanted to hit Israel, they'd have smuggled hundreds of cheap Chinese drones into countries bordering Israel. Launched drones from multiple sites,launched Fu-Go ballon bombs, launched cruise missiles at the Iron Dome itself, within 20 minutes your overwhelmed by a thousand bogeys in th air. The moment air defenses are hit, targy airports, runways, etc.

The scary part is how cheap they're getting. Soon it'll be realistic to see thousand drone military fleets and the West is used to using expensive superior technical weaponry.

The moment it becomes apparent that rogue nation states and pirates can with ten thousand drones destroy a US Navy vessel actual choices will have to be made, we leave the sheltered world of Kumbaya behind

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Even more than for military equipment Ukraine needs western funding to support the entirety of its government functions from paying the salaries of bureaucrats to paying pensions. Without western money Ukraine as a viable state entity would have collapsed more than a year ago.

It is interesting to note that during the initial mobile phase of the war in Feb/March 2022 Russian artillery usage was at its height at over 30k shells fired per day. Many days over 40k. And that with a TINY force of ~80-90k men (90 battalion equivalents) committed. Now Russia has around 450k men committed (400+ battalion equivalents) and seems to be topping out at about 20-25k arty rounds fired per day. The USA currently can produce about 35k rounds per month. Lesson: even with small, mobile armies committed peer combatants would still need massive industrial capabilities to sustain the artillery consumption of both shells and barrels. As far as I can determine the US is making almost zero spare artillery barrels.

I would also posit that complex intrenchments would still likely pertain in a peer conflict outside of the parameters pertaining in Ukraine. Simply put the ISR and strike capabilities of peer forces are simply too good. At the outset Ukraine had the advantage of the entirety of the western ISR capabilities: satellites, drones, sensors, etc. Even with their limited firepower they were able to inflict a fair amount of casualties on advancing Russian forces. Far less than was propagandized on the TV, but still a good amount. In the Ukrainian "counterattack" in the Kharkov region the Ukes took advantage of the extremely thin screen of poorly equipped LDNR/weirdo militias sponsored by Russian corporations that was used by Russia as an economy of force to advance rather rapidly. However, once Russia transferred actual Russian units and concentrated their ISR they were able to inflict massive casualties and damage on the densely-packed Uke units out in the open.

Now, with the current advancement of ISR and drone technology, nobody is safe out in the open. Russians stay safe (and well dispersed) in their trenches with a vast amount of non-to-sortof portable EW equipment that to a large degree prevents drones from snooping around and provides extremely limited targeting opportunities for Ukrainian strike complexes. Even where the Ukrainian front has almost totally crumbled to nothing (the Artemovks-Chasov Yar axis for example) Russia has to engage in massive planning and coordinating just to move very small (15 men and two to three vehicles) bodies of men and machines forward outside of the protective trench/EW sanctuary. One, because the EW necessary for survival in the open is not particularly mobile or reliable. The frequencies and devices used require an immense amount of planning to operate. Two, mines. Mines can be delivered quite rapidly by MLRS and this needs to be accounted for. Three, groupings must necessarily be very small and very fast moving because ISR will instantly see any large groupings starting to mass and strike complexes are so fast and accurate (and long range) that large groupings will incur prohibitive casualties even before they leave their safe-havens. Of necessity these tiny units do not have the "oomph" to penetrate very far and after seizing a small objective must rapidly construct a new trench/EW safe haven. Four, coordination of all the EW. strikes complexes, ISR, and movement for the assaulting forces is massively difficult, and the Russians have been doing it for two years now and are extremely good at it. Ukes (trained and largely commanded by NATO) have been doing it for two years and are not very good at it; see summer 2023 counter-oink, actions around Artemovsk after its liberation, etc.

All four of those conditions will still apply even on a front of 4000 miles length. Or 20,000 miles length. Thus, while I agree that a lot of the conditions in the SMO are unique, I don't think the character of the fighting really is. I think any peer conflict would likely be very similar. At least for a while. I think the racial characteristics of the Slav has made the war last far longer as the Slav seems to be far more hardy than his western counterpart. Its like the meme: Hard times create strong Slavs: strong Slavs create hard times: Hard times create strong Slavs. There is simply no way a western state could endure the casualties that Ukraine has suffered and not completely disintigrate politically and socially.

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