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John Smith's avatar

Christians created this crazy supergroup called "pagan" that includes the vast majority of all religious traditions in history and whose only unifying factor is "not based on jewish books." But at the same time they still want to tar all those religions with the same brush and treat them all as having the same characteristics in contrast to the "true" ones.

The jewish religions just aren't that special. Most of the concepts contained in them were plagiarised from older civilisations surrounding them and mixed up with jewish narcissism and greed.

Anyone making broad claims about "pagans believe X" without being more specific should be treated like a retard.

Joel Otto's avatar

I've had this tired old argument with my solipsist brother. You are asking the wrong question. The real question is what do you believe, and why?

I assert that we can be certain of nothing by the use of reason alone. Even Descartes, as you said, could be a fictional character.

Reason informs our faith, but in the end all reason rests on a foundation of faith. Everyone lives on a foundation of faith. Those who deny this are fools.

Light enters our eyes, pressure waves our ears, chemicals are smelled or tasted, textures are felt, but all these things are interpreted in our minds. Are they real? What is real? We can never be sure, or being sure, we could still be wrong.

There are three basic belief systems, or religions. One holds that God alone exists. One that only the universe exists. The third holds that both exist.

Buddhists and Hindus are God-alone types. Atheists, utilitarians, and materialists are universe-alone. Abrahamic religions believe in both.

In this system, if, like Descartes, I believe I exist and that is the only thing I can be sure of, then I do not believe the universe exists. Therefore I am God. It's called narcissism. This provides few behavioral restraints. It can also make things uncomfortable when interacting with the universe.

I choose to believe that truth exists. It is a rational belief founded on faith. It yields superior outcomes compared to beliefs that reject the existence of truth.

A faith in the existence of truth makes scientific inquiry possible.

I am certain truth exists while still admitting that I could be wrong. I am certain that truth exists even if I never know a single truth. The existence of truth does not need to be dependent on my ability to perceive it. If it did I would be God.

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