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Nicodemus Rex's avatar

fucking brilliant. synthesizes a lot of the thoughts I was having while reading Social Order of the Underworld.

efficient trust & cooperation is the cornerstone of making any organization function. & this can only be achieved initially via *rewards* and not punishment. You can't emerge from a state of anarchy by punishing defectors and free-riders (because there are far too many of them), only by rewarding those who cooperate with you. The optimal mindset for rising up to the top in such an organization is "greedy" but extremely "non-envious" -- motivated heavily by rewards like money status fame but happy to engage in positive-sum trade that gets other people what they want to.

but if there are no rewards to give -- like in prison where all you can reward people with is smuggled cigarettes, drugs, or male prostitutes -- you can also "reward" people by burning down the commons and offering them respite from the damage you caused. prison gang leaders have no power to make the lives of their followers (or even their *own* lives) better; they "reward" their followers by exempting them from the random murders and acts of violence that they themselves cause.

similarly, politicians have no ability to make the lives of the average citizen they rule better -- they're not smart enough and social problems are far too intractable to solve by the machinery of the state. but they can create problems and then offer temporary solutions to their interest groups, which keeps them in power.

the optimal mindset for rising to the top in such an organization is "selfless" (i.e not motivated by personal reward, which is actually kind of monstrous when you think about it) and envious / spiteful -- willing to cut out one of their own eyes as long as someone else is losing two. the James Taggarts of the world (to channel Rand for a second here). Petty, small-minded, miserable bastards all of them.

your final conclusion is the standard libertarian one, that stability breeds dysfunction, while "creative destruction" keeps organizations healthy and seeking to create value rather than destroy it. i'm not quite sure I buy it though. stability is the *consequence* rather than the cause of the dysfunction. Prison gang leaders rot in supermaxxes because no one who isn't locked in solitary confinement wants to be a fucking prison gang leader. 90% of Congress incumbents win reelection, despite the 15% approval rate, because no one who isn't absolutely despicable wants to be a politician. (even if a rare honest, decent man or woman does get into DC they're certainly not running for a second term, it takes a certain level of depravity to do that.)

so I don't think stability is the issue here. but I don't know quite what it is that makes some organizations ruled by the best, and others ruled by the worst

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Beautiful. A lot to chew on in here, but I particularly like your dichotomy of Aristocracy as a pyramid of power and reward VS Cocytarchy (Or Cocytarcy? Still uncertain which I prefer...) being a literal open-air pit of concentric rings of power and suffering. Stark, evocative, and it feels instinctively right, in the way that only the greatest sense-making metaphors do.

As well, your thoughts here remind me of the old Slate Star Codex musings on Moloch. IE, why do systems designed to do good end up becoming nightmare abominations devouring human hopes and dreams and spitting out horror, ugliness and pain? Being part of the "public servant" kayfabe myself, I can say that your observations on bureaucracy and public institutions are spot-on. You have no idea (or maybe you do) what debasements I have been forced/seen forced/seen others be forced to submit to over the years solely to maintain inflated budgetary powers in localized fiefdoms desperate to have more, always more. Soul-deadening stuff.

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